re: java supportedness

Hi everyone -

I am considering putting some Java in my page -- in particular, an
occasional popup window to answer a question linked on the page.

My question is, will the use of Java alienate many web surfers? What is the
supportedness of Java? 90% of users? 99% of users?

Best regards,
Andrew

Andrew

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:47:58 GMT, "Andrew" <>
declared in alt.html:

> Hi everyone -

G'day.

>
> I am considering putting some Java in my page -- in particular, an
> occasional popup window to answer a question linked on the page.

1) It's not Java, it's JavaScript. They are totally unrelated. Google
for the difference.

2) If I want a new window (or tab) opened, I will do it myself. Thank
you for your consideration.

>
> My question is, will the use of Java alienate many web surfers? What is the
> supportedness of Java? 90% of users? 99% of users?
>

3) See 1)

4) There is no way of knowing how many people use browsers with
JavaScript disabled, or that don't support Javascript. Most estimates
say that around 15% have it disabled/unavailable. Don't use it for
essential aspects of your site (e.g. navigation), and it won't be an
issue.

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Mark Parnell wrote:
>>I am considering putting some Java in my page -- in particular, an
>>occasional popup window to answer a question linked on the page.
>
>
> 1) It's not Java, it's JavaScript. They are totally unrelated. Google
> for the difference.


How do you know the OP is talking about JavaScript and not Java?
Assuming that any mention of Java is really a mention of JavaScript is
the same mistake you're trying to correct.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:21:30 GMT, Leif K-Brooks <>
declared in alt.html:
> Mark Parnell wrote:
>>
>> 1) It's not Java, it's JavaScript. They are totally unrelated. Google
>> for the difference.
>
> How do you know the OP is talking about JavaScript and not Java?
> Assuming that any mention of Java is really a mention of JavaScript is
> the same mistake you're trying to correct.

OK, I'm making an assumption, but I would be willing to bet I'm right.
Popups are usually done with JavaScript, not Java.

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

In article <yRGPb.1852$>,
says...
> I am considering putting some Java in my page -- in particular, an
> occasional popup window to answer a question linked on the page.

Interesting, I probably would just use a hidden div that un-hides when
you mouse over the link or something similar. But it can be done with a
Java applet too. Just seems a little over kill

> My question is, will the use of Java alienate many web surfers? What is the
> supportedness of Java? 90% of users? 99% of users?

Probably a little less than those with javascript turned off. If they
don't allow Javascript I would guess they don't allow activeX or Java
applets either.

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Whitecrest Entertainment
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In article <h3k11mkdgn8a$.>,
says...
> > I am considering putting some Java in my page -- in particular, an
> > occasional popup window to answer a question linked on the page.
>
> 1) It's not Java, it's JavaScript. They are totally unrelated. Google
> for the difference.

He may be talking about an applet. It is not clear.

> 4) There is no way of knowing how many people use browsers with
> JavaScript disabled...

Actually for your own site, it would be easy to tell exactly how many
have Javascript turned off or on. Have the first line of the page be to
redirect via javascript. Then the page you redirected to also redirects
to the "final" page. Then count the page hits to the second page.
Using 3 pages, you virtually eliminate the error of someone copying the
link and sending it to someone that does not use Javascript so they
could hit the page.

--
Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com

In article <4iuxr853v60b$.>,
says...
> > How do you know the OP is talking about JavaScript and not Java?
> > Assuming that any mention of Java is really a mention of JavaScript is
> > the same mistake you're trying to correct.
> OK, I'm making an assumption, but I would be willing to bet I'm right.
> Popups are usually done with JavaScript, not Java.

When I read it I assumed he was talking about poping up a java applet,
and even commented I thought it was a little over kill.

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Whitecrest Entertainment
www.whitecrestent.com

Mark was correct - I was talking about javascript. As you can see, I know a
lot about this topic.

-Andrew

ps hidden div that unhides is a neat idea to me - thanks.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:59:21 GMT, "Andrew" <>
declared in alt.html:

> Mark was correct -

Was there ever any doubt?

> I was talking about javascript. As you can see, I know a
> lot about this topic.
>

Recognising you know nothing is the first step.

> ps hidden div that unhides is a neat idea to me - thanks.

Just make sure it is visible by default, and hidden by the Javascript,
so that anyone with Javascript disabled/unavailable can still access it.

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:56:28 -0500, Whitecrest <>
declared in alt.html:
>
> Actually for your own site, it would be easy to tell exactly how many
> have Javascript turned off or on. Have the first line of the page be to
> redirect via javascript. Then the page you redirected to also redirects
> to the "final" page. Then count the page hits to the second page.
> Using 3 pages, you virtually eliminate the error of someone copying the
> link and sending it to someone that does not use Javascript so they
> could hit the page.

Now who's talking about overkill?

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au