Newbie - strange problem (with frames) - help ?

12-12-2003

Hello,

problem as follows:

I have made a webpage with 3 frames

left | main
footer

but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank space
on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left edge to right
edge. Code follows, can someone help me with this one ?

btw, is there a news group, where i could send screen shot of problem (would
be much easier to explain problem with picture?)

Thanks in advance.

index.html --------------------------------------------

<HTML>
<TITLE></TITLE>
<FRAMESET ROWS="*,47" frameborder="0"
framespacing="0" border="0" scrolling="none">

<FRAMESET COLS="165,*">
<FRAME name="left" SRC="left.html">
<FRAME name="main" SRC="main.html">

</FRAMESET>
<FRAME name="footer" SRC="footer.html">
</FRAMESET>
</HTML>

left.html --------------------------------------------

<html>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#000066"
vlink="#000066" marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 leftmargin=0 topmargin=0>
</body>

<table width="100%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 border=0>

<tr><td>
<a href="link_1.html" target="Main">Link_1</a>
</td></tr>

</table>

</body></html>

main.html --------------------------------------------

<html>
<body bgcolor="#fhjfff" text="#000000" link="#000066"
vlink="#000066" marginwidth=0 marginheight=0
leftmargin=0 topmargin=0>

<TABLE BORDER="0" width="100%" CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0"
BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF">

<TR>
<TD width="100%" height="16" background="gfx/left_up_1_x1.jpg"></TD>
</TR>

</TABLE>

</body></html>

footer.html --------------------------------------------

<html>
<body bgcolor="#f99off" text="#000000" link="#000066"
vlink="#000066" marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 leftmargin=0 topmargin=0>
</body>
</html>

12-12-2003

Jane Doe wrote:
> Hello,
>
> problem as follows:
>
> I have made a webpage with 3 frames

there's your first problem - frames are evil (look it up)

> but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank
> space on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left
> edge to right edge.

You don't need a table to display one image - that's an inappropriate use of
table markup

> Code follows, can someone help me with this one ?
>
> btw, is there a news group, where i could send screen shot of problem
> (would be much easier to explain problem with picture?)

post the URL

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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com

12-12-2003

[crossposted groups removed]
"Jane Doe" <jane.doe@spam_me_like_never_before.com> wrote in message
news:QTfCb.613$...
> Hello,
>
> problem as follows:
>
> I have made a webpage with 3 frames

Therein lies your problem. You are using obsolete technology.

Cheers
Richard.

12-12-2003

"William Tasso" <> wrote in message
news:brc2tg$1lg89$...
> Jane Doe wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > problem as follows:
> >
> > I have made a webpage with 3 frames
>
> there's your first problem - frames are evil (look it up)
>
> > but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank
> > space on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left
> > edge to right edge.
>
> You don't need a table to display one image - that's an inappropriate use
of
> table markup

There is going to be more than one image (actually three), that was just as
an example.

Even if I use three images, situation is the same, small empty space in the
right edge...

12-12-2003

Jane Doe wrote in message ...
> but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank space
> on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left edge to
right
> edge. Code follows, can someone help me with this one ?

In your index.html you've used a lower-case 'm' in the word 'main'.
In left.html you've used a capital 'M' in the target name 'Main'

Make the capital 'M' into a lower-case 'm'

That's one problem solved.

--
Cheers ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK. http://www.OnMyWindow.co.uk

12-12-2003

"Jane Doe" <jane.doe@spam_me_like_never_before.com> wrote in message
news:QTfCb.613$...
> Hello,
>
> problem as follows:
>
> I have made a webpage with 3 frames
>
> left | main
> footer
>
> but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank
space
> on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left edge to
right
> edge. Code follows, can someone help me with this one ?

You might want to reconsider your use of frames. There is rarely a good
reason to use frames and they pretty much scream "newbie!". That said, take
a look at your HTML again and make sure that you don't have any spaces or
'carriage returns' anywhere before or after the problem area. Sometimes you
can't see them, so you have to backspace or delete around that area.

PS: Next time send us a URL to the page and we can see the actual live
HTML.

--Tina
--
http://www.AffordableHOST.com
20% Discount Code: newsgroup
We transfer time from your current host!
Serving the web since 1997

12-12-2003

Thanks for your reply Tina,

here is the URL

http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/

and screenshot of problem is at

http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/gfx...screenshot.jpg

still, help needed. Atleast I would like to understand, what is the problem.
Eventhough I am not going to use frames anymore, but still...

"Tina - AffordableHOST.com" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "Jane Doe" <jane.doe@spam_me_like_never_before.com> wrote in message
> news:QTfCb.613$...
> > Hello,
> >
> > problem as follows:
> >
> > I have made a webpage with 3 frames
> >
> > left | main
> > footer
> >
> > but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a blank
> space
> > on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete from left edge to
> right
> > edge. Code follows, can someone help me with this one ?
>
>
>
> You might want to reconsider your use of frames. There is rarely a good
> reason to use frames and they pretty much scream "newbie!". That said,
take
> a look at your HTML again and make sure that you don't have any spaces or
> 'carriage returns' anywhere before or after the problem area. Sometimes
you
> can't see them, so you have to backspace or delete around that area.
>
> PS: Next time send us a URL to the page and we can see the actual live
> HTML.
>
> --Tina
> --
> http://www.AffordableHOST.com
> 20% Discount Code: newsgroup
> We transfer time from your current host!
> Serving the web since 1997
>
>

12-12-2003

Jane Doe wrote:
> Thanks for your reply Tina,
>
> here is the URL
>
> http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/
>
> and screenshot of problem is at
>
> http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/gfx...screenshot.jpg
>
> still, help needed. Atleast I would like to understand, what is the
> problem. Eventhough I am not going to use frames anymore, but still...

Try the following in the table tag on main.html
style="border-collapse:collapse"

--
PeterMcC
If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

12-12-2003

Jane Doe wrote:
> "William Tasso" <> wrote in message
> news:brc2tg$1lg89$...
>> Jane Doe wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> problem as follows:
>>>
>>> I have made a webpage with 3 frames
>>
>> there's your first problem - frames are evil (look it up)
>>
>>> but for some reason, when I put table on main.html, it leaves a
>>> blank space on right edge, I cannot make the first line complete
>>> from left edge to right edge.
>>
>> You don't need a table to display one image - that's an
>> inappropriate use of table markup
>
> There is going to be more than one image (actually three), that was
> just as an example.

Still not necessary.

> Even if I use three images, situation is the same, small empty space
> in the right edge...

Page is still using frames.

From another post: http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/ looks fine (no gap) in
Opera and Mozilla but your markup is not quite up to scratch -
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...i%2Fjanedoe%2F
leaving your page to the mercy of in-browser error correction techniques.

--
William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com

12-12-2003

Jane Doe wrote in message ...
> here is the URL
> http://members.surfeu.fi/janedoe/

Jane - there's nothing you can do about that. It's the nature of HTML. If you
centre the table you'll get an equal space either end. At least that doesn't
look so bad. Alternatively make the table width 90% then it will read better,
especially on large monitors. Another option is to have the table background
colour the same as the page colour so nobody will notice the oddity.

--
Cheers ..... Trevor George, Bristol, UK. http://www.OnMyWindow.co.uk

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