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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in news:IMCXa.22943
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>
>> 11- Studies (in speed reading) have shown that reading text from left
to
>> right is easier when the text is left-aligned, not when it's centered.
I
>> don't have references on this right now but I do remember reading that
>> left-aligned text was easier to parse, read.
>> "Centered and right-justified text blocks. Centered and right-
justified
>> text blocks are difficult to read. (...)
>> Left-justified text is the most legible option for Web pages because
the
>> left margin is even and predictable and the right margin is irregular.
>> Unlike justified text, left justification requires no adjustment to
word
>> spacing; the inequities in spacing fall at the end of the lines. The
>> resulting "ragged" right margin adds variety and interest to the page
>> without interfering with legibility."
>> http://www.webstyleguide.com/type/align.html
>
>
> www.yahoo.com
> www.google.com
>
> are centered aren´t they?

Personally, I think that your site is fine, in terms of the centering of
the text, because although the content is in the center of the page, the
text itself _is_ left-justified.

However, I think that the margins on the left and right are a bit too
big...

Your site and that page, in general, though, seems unreadable, with ugly
colors and little contrast.

>
> Personally, I think that your site is fine, in terms of the centering of
> the text, because although the content is in the center of the page, the
> text itself _is_ left-justified.
>
> However, I think that the margins on the left and right are a bit too
> big...


Please, compare the margins on the left and on the right between
www.yahoo.com
www.google.com and www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html
Do you think that the margins on the left and right of the sites
www.yahoo.com and
www.google.com are too big?

> Your site and that page, in general, though, seems unreadable, with ugly
> colors and little contrast.

Let`s talk on the page www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html now
and not about the whole site because there are many colors on the different
pages just now.
Which contrast do you mean? Between the colors? Do you have examples of
pages with good colors and good contrast to compare?

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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)



http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/alloggisvezia.html
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"Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in
news:5VXYa.23427$:

>
>>
>> Personally, I think that your site is fine, in terms of the centering
>> of the text, because although the content is in the center of the
>> page, the text itself _is_ left-justified.
>>
>> However, I think that the margins on the left and right are a bit too
>> big...
>
>
> Please, compare the margins on the left and on the right between
> www.yahoo.com
> www.google.com and www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html
> Do you think that the margins on the left and right of the sites
> www.yahoo.com and
> www.google.com are too big?

First of all, I do not see why you arbitrarily set yahoo.com or google.com
as standards to follow.

Also, there are a few differences between yahoo.com, google.com, and your
page.

Yahoo.com's problem is that it is designed with a fixed width of
approximately 800 pixels, or slightly less, to fit browsers with
scrollbars. When the browser gets resized to a small size, a horizontal
scrollbar appears, which is trouble.

Google.com, on the other hand, has large margins because it has minimal
content on the first page. One does not have to scroll down when they
visit Google. Also, all of Google's pages that _do_ have larger amounts of
information happen to take up nearly the entire width of the browser.

Your page happens to have the largest margin yet. According to my
estimates, fifty percent of my browser window's width consists of margins
or padding when viewing that page. If I resize my browser window to a
small size, at least the content is still viewable, but it always uses only
50% (or slightly less) of the available width. That is inefficient.


>> Your site and that page, in general, though, seems unreadable, with
>> ugly colors and little contrast.
>
> Let`s talk on the page
> www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html now and not about the
> whole site because there are many colors on the different pages just
> now. Which contrast do you mean? Between the colors? Do you have
> examples of pages with good colors and good contrast to compare?

I would say that black on white, black on light gray, black on some light
color, or a light color on a dark background would be good contrast. Your
site seems tacky. Also, you have black with that blue shade of
highlighting with yellow around it. The highlighting looks really ugly!

But back to contrast. That is, contrast of the text on the background.
And the large contrasts between the background colors, which occurs every
few lines. A user has to jump from black on yellow to blue on yellow to
black on blue... It makes reading troublesome and tiresome.

Also, some of your hyperlinks are blue on blue, and some are blue on green.
Others are blue on brown, and blue on red.

Blue on blue is bad because of the contrast. Blue on green is also bad,
because of the contrast, which gets especially bad for people with blue-
green colorblindness (which is very common). Blue on brown has bad
contrast between the colors, making it difficult to read. Blue on red is
plain ugly .

The combination of little contrast in the text on background with big
differences between the background colors, and the user having to jump
between those background colors when reading, is what causes the problem.

"Sam Hughes" <> skrev i meddelandet
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> "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in
> news:5VXYa.23427$:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Personally, I think that your site is fine, in terms of the centering
> >> of the text, because although the content is in the center of the
> >> page, the text itself _is_ left-justified.
> >>
> >> However, I think that the margins on the left and right are a bit too
> >> big...
> >
> >
> > Please, compare the margins on the left and on the right between
> > www.yahoo.com
> > www.google.com and www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html
> > Do you think that the margins on the left and right of the sites
> > www.yahoo.com and
> > www.google.com are too big?
>
> First of all, I do not see why you arbitrarily set yahoo.com or google.com
> as standards to follow.



I see www.yahoo.com and www.google.com as two very known sites which is
visited by many users.
> Also, there are a few differences between yahoo.com, google.com, and your
> page.
>
> Yahoo.com's problem is that it is designed with a fixed width of
> approximately 800 pixels, or slightly less, to fit browsers with
> scrollbars. When the browser gets resized to a small size, a horizontal
> scrollbar appears, which is trouble.
>
> Google.com, on the other hand, has large margins because it has minimal
> content on the first page. One does not have to scroll down when they
> visit Google. Also, all of Google's pages that _do_ have larger amounts
of
> information happen to take up nearly the entire width of the browser.
>
> Your page happens to have the largest margin yet. According to my
> estimates, fifty percent of my browser window's width consists of margins
> or padding when viewing that page. If I resize my browser window to a
> small size, at least the content is still viewable, but it always uses
only
> 50% (or slightly less) of the available width. That is inefficient.

I do not understand why you see that as inefficiency.

> >> Your site and that page, in general, though, seems unreadable, with
> >> ugly colors and little contrast.
> >
> > Let`s talk on the page
> > www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html now and not about the
> > whole site because there are many colors on the different pages just
> > now. Which contrast do you mean? Between the colors? Do you have
> > examples of pages with good colors and good contrast to compare?
>
> I would say that black on white, black on light gray, black on some light
> color, or a light color on a dark background would be good contrast. Your
> site seems tacky. Also, you have black with that blue shade of
> highlighting with yellow around it. The highlighting looks really ugly!


Black on white has contrast but the white is a very light color on the
screen, black on some light color would be ok.
What about the background color on the page
www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html
and www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/valkommen.html ?
> But back to contrast. That is, contrast of the text on the background.
> And the large contrasts between the background colors, which occurs every
> few lines. A user has to jump from black on yellow to blue on yellow to
> black on blue... It makes reading troublesome and tiresome.


On the other hand ( as user) I think that the same color on all the pages
of a website can be little boring.


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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)



http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/alloggisvezia.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html

Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

>
> "Sam Hughes" <> skrev i meddelandet
> news:Xns93D1F367A48Esamreid@130.133.1.4...
>> "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in
>> news:5VXYa.23427$:
>>
>> > Please, compare the margins on the left and on the right between
>> > www.yahoo.com
>> > www.google.com and www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien.html
>> > Do you think that the margins on the left and right of the sites
>> > www.yahoo.com and
>> > www.google.com are too big?
>>
>> First of all, I do not see why you arbitrarily set yahoo.com or
>> google.com as standards to follow.
>
> I see www.yahoo.com and www.google.com as two very known sites which is
> visited by many users.

And is that largely because of the size of their margins, or perhaps they
offer content the visitor wishes to see?


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"Isofarro" <> skrev i meddelandet
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> Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
>
> > a site which has many
> > visitors is usually also well designed isn´t it?
>
> No
>
> > Or do you suggest perhaps that www.yahoo.come is not good designed?
>
> http://www.happycog.com/lectures/dwws/6.html
>
> --
> Iso.

Your link was interesting.
If there are sites which are not well designed but still have very many
visitors ( you can visit www.alexa.com and check up Yahoo´s rate)
the question is whether good webdesign is not something necessary and how
useful or useless it is for a commercial site to get more visitors.


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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)



http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/alloggisvezia.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html

Toby A Inkster <> wrote in
news:

> Sam Hughes wrote:
>
>> Blue on green is also bad,
>> because of the contrast, which gets especially bad for people with blue-
>> green colorblindness (which is very common).
>
> Huh? I think you mean red on green. Red/green colourblindness is the most
> common form[1]. Blue/yellow is probably the next.
>
> [1] Approximately one in six men is red/green colourblind (although to
> varying extents)

That still makes blue-green colorblindness very common.

Do a search within this document for
"Inherited Color Perception Impairments" and read that paragraph:
http://www.abledata.com/text2/NIRE/Color_Blind.htm

Red-green indeed happens to be the most common form; blue-green is second,
also very common.

"Luigi Donatello Asero" <> skrev i meddelandet
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> "Sam Hughes" <> skrev i meddelandet
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> > "Luigi Donatello Asero" <> wrote in news:IMCXa.22943
> > $:
> >
> > >
> > >> 11- Studies (in speed reading) have shown that reading text from left
> > to
> > >> right is easier when the text is left-aligned, not when it's
centered.
> > I
> > >> don't have references on this right now but I do remember reading
that
> > >> left-aligned text was easier to parse, read.
> > >> "Centered and right-justified text blocks. Centered and right-
> > justified
> > >> text blocks are difficult to read. (...)
> > >> Left-justified text is the most legible option for Web pages because
> > the
> > >> left margin is even and predictable and the right margin is
irregular.
> > >> Unlike justified text, left justification requires no adjustment to
> > word
> > >> spacing; the inequities in spacing fall at the end of the lines. The
> > >> resulting "ragged" right margin adds variety and interest to the page
> > >> without interfering with legibility."
> > >> http://www.webstyleguide.com/type/align.html
> > >
> > >
> > > www.yahoo.com
> > > www.google.com
> > >
> > > are centered aren´t they?
> >
> > Personally, I think that your site is fine, in terms of the centering of
> > the text, because although the content is in the center of the page, the
> > text itself _is_ left-justified.
>
>
>
> Can you tell me why Google placed just
> www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/test.html which is centered ( see cached
> version) instead of www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien which is
> not? Does that mean that Google prefers the centered version for some
> reason?
>
>
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> Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)
>
>
>
> http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/alloggisvezia.html
> http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html


Or may-be Google prefers the colors which I used on that version.


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Luigi ( un italiano che vive in Svezia)



http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/alloggisvezia.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html

Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
>> Can you tell me why Google placed just
>> www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/test.html which is centered ( see cached
>> version) instead of www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/boendeiitalien which is
>> not? Does that mean that Google prefers the centered version for some
>> reason?
>
> Or may-be Google prefers the colors which I used on that version.

I think you'll find that Google doesn't visit your site every day, hence
has an older version.

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