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i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and php
and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
java, knowing C and C++ is required.

any feedback on that?

- jesse

jesse wrote:
> i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and php
> and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
> java, knowing C and C++ is required.
>
> any feedback on that?
>
> - jesse
>
>

http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/index.html

> i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and
php
> and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
> java, knowing C and C++ is required.

it is really better if you _don't_ know c and c++ before you start with
java.

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jesse wrote:
> i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and php
> and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
> java, knowing C and C++ is required.
>
> any feedback on that?
>
> - jesse


I wouldn't go so far as to say REQUIRED. It can certainly help if you
know C syntax as Java is almost indistinguishable from that (within
methods, of course). And if you've got a sound basis in Object-Oriented
programming from C++ then you're more than halfway there. That's a big
IF, BTW. Estimates from companies like Forrester Research suggest that
upwards of 70% of "C++ code" is actually procedural C.
You could also just leap into learning Java and not have to worry
about baggage from previous use of C/C++. Fewer bad habits to unlearn.
Enjoy!

"jesse" <> wrote in message
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| i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from
perl and php
| and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that,
to learn
| java, knowing C and C++ is required.

No. To program C++ effectively you need to
understand OO - same with Java.

C ..C(?!) is not an OO language. I guess it
would not be very helpful in learning Java.

With either you would have to 'unlearn' bits
of the C/C++ when coming to Java, so I
see no advantage to learning them if you
ultimately only want to code Java.

OTOH, it can be very helpful to have several
languages under your belt. It helps avoid the
'this is the only language for the job' syndrome..

[ Just a few ..meandering thoughts.. ]

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 3:55:34 -0500, jesse wrote
(in message <ayQJb.48079$> ):

> i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and php
> and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
> java, knowing C and C++ is required.
>
> any feedback on that?
>
> - jesse
>
>

It makes it esier for C/C++ programmers to learn java since the syntax is
similar. However, you DON'T need c/c++ to understand java.

Learn java should be easy from a perl background. But things are little more
lower level than they are in perl.

J

ak wrote:
>>i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and
>
> php
>
>>and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
>>java, knowing C and C++ is required.
>
>
> it is really better if you _don't_ know c and c++ before you start with
> java.
>
Why? I don't think I could agree with that.

> ____________
>
> http://reader.imagero.com the best java image reader.
>
>

Jorge Rivera wrote:
> ak wrote:
>> it is really better if you _don't_ know c and c++ before you start with
>> java.
>>
> Why? I don't think I could agree with that.

Because people can develop bad habits using these languages. And then
they have the audacity to demand equivalent functionality in Java
instead of "unlearning what they have learned" (Yoda paraphrased).
I think that ak is right! It's better to come to the OO table with
no preconceptions. Learn Java, find out what it can do and then
learn further how to utilize it best.
Generics are arriving in 1.5? Big deal! Kowtowing to the C++ crowd
is not the way to improve the breed. If C++ was so great then why
are the practitioners migrating to Java?
I'm buttoning up my Nomex(tm) suit after that observation but I
stand behind my aluminum-silicate brick wall on this one...

"Jorge Rivera" <> wrote in message
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| ak wrote:
| >>i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on
from perl and
| >> php
| >
| >>and general web applications like that. i read somewhere
that, to learn
| >>java, knowing C and C++ is required.
....
| > it is really better if you _don't_ know c and c++ before you
start with
| > java.
| >
| Why?

Look in this thread at the posts of Sudsy and myself.
Keywords 'baggage' and 'unlearn'.

| I don't think I could agree with that.

Why?

Jorge Rivera <> scribbled the following:
> ak wrote:
>>>i'm interested in learning java because i want to move on from perl and
>> php
>>>and general web applications like that. i read somewhere that, to learn
>>>java, knowing C and C++ is required.
>>
>> it is really better if you _don't_ know c and c++ before you start with
>> java.
>>
> Why? I don't think I could agree with that.

Having to learn C or C++ before Java is the same as having to learn
Fortran before C or C++, or having to learn Algol before Fortran, or
having to learn machine code before Algol.

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