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Miguel De Anda
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      07-25-2003

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> A leading multinational located at Bangalore has an immediate requirement

for
> professionals with experience in JRE. A minimum software experience of 3

to ten
> years is mandatory.BE or MCA candidates will be given preference.
> Please rush your detailed resumes.



In dollars, how much does such a position get? Is such a position pay about
what a McDonald's position pays in the US? Just curious.


 
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Ken Ream
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      07-25-2003

"Miguel De Anda" <_sodamnmad_@_hotmail_._com_> wrote in message
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> "samuel newton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > A leading multinational located at Bangalore has an immediate

requirement
> for
> > professionals with experience in JRE. A minimum software experience of 3

> to ten
> > years is mandatory.BE or MCA candidates will be given preference.
> > Please rush your detailed resumes.

>
>
> In dollars, how much does such a position get? Is such a position pay

about
> what a McDonald's position pays in the US? Just curious.
>

Good question as US programmers will end up working the fryer at McD's
as they ship our jobs off-shore.




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      07-25-2003

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> > "samuel newton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > > A leading multinational located at Bangalore has an immediate

> requirement
> > for
> > > professionals with experience in JRE. A minimum software experience of

3
> > to ten
> > > years is mandatory.BE or MCA candidates will be given preference.
> > > Please rush your detailed resumes.

> >
> >
> > In dollars, how much does such a position get? Is such a position pay

> about
> > what a McDonald's position pays in the US? Just curious.
> >

> Good question as US programmers will end up working the fryer at McD's
> as they ship our jobs off-shore.
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Heck, you work the fryer, I want to be at a cash register, that way I can
talk to all the girlies. Maybe I can meet a rich girl and marry her for her
money. That way I won't have to work, and I can just program for fun instead
of for some cheesy guy who wants me to have 30yrs for java experience and
6yrs of c#, etc., and pays McD's salaries because off-shoring costs that
much.




 
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Manish Jethani
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      07-25-2003
Miguel De Anda wrote:

> "samuel newton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
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>>A leading multinational located at Bangalore has an immediate requirement

>
> for
>
>>professionals with experience in JRE. A minimum software experience of 3

>
> to ten
>
>>years is mandatory.BE or MCA candidates will be given preference.
>>Please rush your detailed resumes.

>
>
>
> In dollars, how much does such a position get? Is such a position pay about
> what a McDonald's position pays in the US? Just curious.


Well, how much does McD's pay? You can get around USD 1,000 per
month. And you can lead a lavish life over here (in Bangalore)
for that kind of money. You won't get rich by any standards
(not even Indian standards), but presumably you aren't getting
any rich in the US either.

If you're not a citizen, then you have the problem of getting a
work permit. I guess the "leading multinational" can take care
of that.

-Manish

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Joseph Millar
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      07-26-2003
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:31:30 +0530, Manish Jethani <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Well, how much does McD's pay? You can get around USD 1,000 per
> month. And you can lead a lavish life over here (in Bangalore)
> for that kind of money. You won't get rich by any standards
> (not even Indian standards), but presumably you aren't getting
> any rich in the US either.


$12k USD per year? Wow...are you saying that cost of living
in Bangalore is that cheap? There's not much info on this
job, but a typical Java programmer with 3-10 years of exp can
make $50-110k per year in the US. This depends on skills,
experience, job responsibilites, and the individual company.

Many developers here in the US worry about this type of drain
to foreign shores, but I have to imagine that as you have more
and more affluent people, the cost of living will go up, but
in the mean time this causes serious problems till some sort
of balance is achieved.

You can see why so many companies find it attractive to farm
their development oversees for prices like this.

--Joe
 
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Manish Jethani
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      07-26-2003
Joseph Millar wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:31:30 +0530, Manish Jethani <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Well, how much does McD's pay? You can get around USD 1,000 per
>>month. And you can lead a lavish life over here (in Bangalore)
>>for that kind of money. You won't get rich by any standards
>>(not even Indian standards), but presumably you aren't getting
>>any rich in the US either.

>
>
> $12k USD per year? Wow...are you saying that cost of living
> in Bangalore is that cheap? There's not much info on this


$1 == Rs.45-Rs.50 (more or less)

A bottle of 200 millilitres Coke costs Rs.5/- (10 cents?)
Does that compare well with the US? (Maybe that's a most stupid
way to compare.)

> job, but a typical Java programmer with 3-10 years of exp can
> make $50-110k per year in the US. This depends on skills,
> experience, job responsibilites, and the individual company.


Yes, and some poor Indian programmer here once dreamed of having
a job in the US making that kind of money. For a moment, if
you ignore the American vs. alien thing, you realise that the
offshoring fad has affected *everyone*.

> Many developers here in the US worry about this type of drain
> to foreign shores, but I have to imagine that as you have more
> and more affluent people, the cost of living will go up, but


Standard of living will go up, and we shall consume more
American products. The Indian consumer is already living on
foreign stuff, in line with the open-trade policy of the govt
since 1991. Even the govt buys Microsoft, IBM and Oracle
(though there has been a movement to push the govt into buying
open source software). This will only make American companies
richer.

The problem is that a few rich Americans have decided to get
richer at the cost of the rest. I'm not an economist, but I
believe that's the way it works.

-Manish

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Joseph Millar
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      07-26-2003
On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:23:49 +0530, Manish Jethani <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Joseph Millar wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:31:30 +0530, Manish Jethani <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >>Well, how much does McD's pay? You can get around USD 1,000 per
> >>month. And you can lead a lavish life over here (in Bangalore)
> >>for that kind of money. You won't get rich by any standards
> >>(not even Indian standards), but presumably you aren't getting
> >>any rich in the US either.


Making USD $75k per year puts you in the top 5% of wage earners
in the country. Unless you're living beyond your means, you are
getting richer.

> > $12k USD per year? Wow...are you saying that cost of living
> > in Bangalore is that cheap? There's not much info on this

>
> $1 == Rs.45-Rs.50 (more or less)
>
> A bottle of 200 millilitres Coke costs Rs.5/- (10 cents?)
> Does that compare well with the US? (Maybe that's a most stupid
> way to compare.)


Coke is as good as anything else, I guess. Where I live in
New Hampshire, cans of Coke go for like $0.75 and have about
330ml (I think). So that's considerably more expensive.
Bought in the supermarket it's considerably cheaper, 2 liter
bottles for like $1 which is about the same price.

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> Standard of living will go up, and we shall consume more
> American products. The Indian consumer is already living on
> foreign stuff, in line with the open-trade policy of the govt
> since 1991. Even the govt buys Microsoft, IBM and Oracle
> (though there has been a movement to push the govt into buying
> open source software). This will only make American companies
> richer.


That's the way capitalism works, like it or not. It's also
the reason many American software companies have started to
use offshore programmers, it's cheaper and while selling the
software for the same price they make more of a profit. Of
course many of the larger companies like IBM are hardly
exclusive American companies anymore, they are large multi-
national corporations.

> The problem is that a few rich Americans have decided to get
> richer at the cost of the rest. I'm not an economist, but I
> believe that's the way it works.


Yep, it is. I have no objection to someone making lots of
of money, I have the same opportunity, it's just a matter
of being able to see it and exploit it before anyone else
or better than anyone else. Wish it was as easy to do as
it is to describe.

As far as offshore programmers, it makes an exploitable
opportunity now, but the cost for doing it will gradually
rise to the point where it makes less and less finacial
sense which has to be weighted against the problems involved
in doing it. At least I hope so. In any event, I have to
adapt to the situation, no use getting ****ed off at it.
Only constant is things change and trying to stop it means
getting squashed and left behind.

So if anyone knows of any decent Java/C++ postions in the
North Boston Metro area, I've got a resume to send you .

http://home.comcast.net/~baric/resume.html

--Joe
 
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Manish Jethani
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      07-26-2003
Joseph Millar wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:23:49 +0530, Manish Jethani <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>The problem is that a few rich Americans have decided to get
>>richer at the cost of the rest. I'm not an economist, but I
>>believe that's the way it works.

>
>
> Yep, it is. I have no objection to someone making lots of
> of money, I have the same opportunity, it's just a matter
> of being able to see it and exploit it before anyone else
> or better than anyone else. Wish it was as easy to do as
> it is to describe.


I think at this point the strategy should be to form small
software (outsourcing) companies that outsource work to India.
You can get the cost advantage, which you offer to your clients.
Small businesses can't afford to set up their own operations in
other countries like India, so getting the work done for them at
a low cost would be win-win.

Some US programmers should/will take the lead and become
businessman/managers.

[snip]

> So if anyone knows of any decent Java/C++ postions in the
> North Boston Metro area, I've got a resume to send you .


If anyone wants to outsource small projects to India, I've got a
few contacts who would be willing to take it up. This way you
can bid a low price to your client. The tough part, as usual,
would be managing the project.

regards,
-Manish

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PJ
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      07-26-2003
> If anyone wants to outsource small projects to India, I've got a
> few contacts who would be willing to take it up. This way you
> can bid a low price to your client. The tough part, as usual,
> would be managing the project.
>
> regards,
> -Manish
>
> --
> Manish Jethani (manish.j at gmx.net)
> phone (work) +91-80-51073488
>


An interesting thread, thanks for participating Manish.

Managing the project is always a challenge. In fact, my response to the
"outsourcing" movement has been to move up the food chain by starting my own
company. Ironically, it is a Project Management software package that
supports utilizing resources that are on differing schedules in different
time zones. It is written in Java of course.

I haven't outsourced the development though, I'm the only developer and I
don't want to move.

Project Management is used most extensively in service/consulting companies
as they are bidding and trying to make sure they don't underbid. Is project
management a common activity among Indian tech companies Manish?

Pete
http://www.jxProject.com



 
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