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Last time we met, Dallas Cowboy <> had said:
> Thanks for quick response and advice from all respect respondents. I
> need to verify about my questions since a few of your answers loop me
> back to my unknow state:
>
> Firstly, my new project will come up with new hire technical
> programmers. So, I need to know which environment should I start
> before hiring. Therefore, I currently don't have a team yet who I can
> ask for their recommendation or what language/environement do they
> want to go.

You're asking for failure here. How are you going to evaluate
and hire programmers if you don't anything about the technologies and
languages they'll be using ?

I would recommend hiring one experienced person who knows web applications
and let him help you choose the technology and build the team.


> Secondly, I probably misled in my question when I said Windows has
> been widely used. I meant, that most client users are using Windows
> for their desktop applications including IE browser. In this case,
> will there be any problem when developing a web application that may
> integrate with other desktop applications later? I am talking about
> eventually more people using mobile technoloty such as Palm or Pocket
> PC, etc....

It depends entirely on what specifically you're doing. It's easier to
integrate a .NET app with Word than one in Java. But integrating a
..NET app with most mobile devices (Palms, Java phones, etc.) will
be harder than in Java.




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(Dallas Cowboy) writes:

> Let's say I am not a developer rather a project manager. I would like
> to receive some advice and comment about which language should I pick
> for my totally new project.

Note that Java is a platform and a language, and .NET is a platform. If
you go with the .NET platform, you'll have to choose C#, Visual Basic,
or one of the other languages for the CLR. If you go with Java as a
platform, you might use the Java language in JSPs, or you might use
JSTL, WebMacro, Velocity, Tea, or BRL. Good luck.

> Meanwhile Microsoft
> Windows platforms has been widely used by people but a lot of
> complaint for its lack of security and reliability.

I hope you know that seeing .net in a hostname does not mean they're
using Microsoft's .NET technology. The .NET top-level Internet domain
has been around long before Microsoft's .NET technology. It goes along
with their marketing ploy of naming products generically, trying to
co-opt existing name recognition. There's no Microsoft .NET on php.net
or sourceforge.net, and most companies use SQL servers that aren't
Microsoft SQL server.

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Dallas Cowboy wrote:
> Secondly, I probably misled in my question when I said Windows has
> been widely used. I meant, that most client users are using Windows
> for their desktop applications including IE browser.

But that isn't what you said. You said that "less people use" Java.
Compared to what? Can't be Windows. That would be like saying "less
people use calculators than doorknobs"... it's a pointless statement;
true, but still without meaning in making a comparison, simply because
you will never end up choosing between a calculator or a doorknob for a
specific task.

So people generally assumed from your subject that you meant less people
use Java than .NET. That's false, and people were telling you so.

> In this case,
> will there be any problem when developing a web application that may
> integrate with other desktop applications later? I am talking about
> eventually more people using mobile technoloty such as Palm or Pocket
> PC, etc....

With that last sentence, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Generally, though, language- or platform-based remote interfaces are not
suitable for planning general expansion in the future. Once you've
chosen a reasonably portable remote interface (eg, SOAP and WSDL, or
CORBA, or a new TCP-based protocol), it will probably be available
regardless of the choice of implementation.

> I understood that more JAVA developers than .NET since JAVA has been
> out there for a quite long plus its better security and reliability
> environment. However, my question was. As of .NET has just came out,
> has it beeen improved in this area?

What is "this area"?

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Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> Bruce Lewis wrote:
> > Note that Java is a platform and a language, and .NET is a platform. If
> > you go with the .NET platform, you'll have to choose C#, Visual Basic,
> > or one of the other languages for the CLR.
>
> Minor clarification: You can't easily use Visual Basic to program for
> .NET. You would have to use Visual Basic.NET to program for it.
>
> When it first came out, there was quite a ruckus since it was different
> enough from the prior versions of Visual Basic to upset existing VB
> programmers. Some even called it a different language altogether.

Sure, and in all honesty it is a different, but closely related,
language. Generally speaking, though, the VB changes are not nearly so
significant as the C++ changes, since Visual C++ used to actually be a
compiler for a standard language.

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Chris Smith wrote:
>
> Sure, and in all honesty it is a different, but closely related,
> language. Generally speaking, though, the VB changes are not nearly so
> significant as the C++ changes, since Visual C++ used to actually be a
> compiler for a standard language.

Ahh... Yes. But

In this context (hiring new people to work on a project), the difference
is important. The OP would want people who could program in VB.NET, not
just people who can program in VB.

Depending on who in the VB community you talk to, those two can be very
different.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:23:46 -0700, "Jon A. Cruz" <>
wrote:

> Bruce Lewis wrote:
> > Note that Java is a platform and a language, and .NET is a platform. If
> > you go with the .NET platform, you'll have to choose C#, Visual Basic,
> > or one of the other languages for the CLR.
>
> Minor clarification: You can't easily use Visual Basic to program for
> .NET. You would have to use Visual Basic.NET to program for it.
>
> When it first came out, there was quite a ruckus since it was different
> enough from the prior versions of Visual Basic to upset existing VB
> programmers. Some even called it a different language altogether.

I began reading a book (rom Microsoft Press) on VB.NET a few months
ago. It started out telling me how cool it was that I'd be able to
leverage my VB knowledge on .NET. It then promptly started explaining
how this was different and that was different and those were gone and
the syntax here had changed and blah blah blah.

I haven't gotten past Chapter 3 yet, so I can't tell you if the whole
book is like that. I thought it was hilarious, and I was glad that I
didn't have any previous VB experience to stumble over.

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