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Hi,

I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
unread in bold. It showed 36 before I read the three new posts, this
took it down to 34 ? I've now completly emptied the group of all
messages (read or otherwise) and it still shows 34 in bold. Other
newsgroups I subscribe to are just as erratic, could someone throw some
light on this please?

Andy J.

Andy J. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
> relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
> unread in bold. It showed 36 before I read the three new posts, this
> took it down to 34 ? I've now completly emptied the group of all
> messages (read or otherwise) and it still shows 34 in bold. Other
> newsgroups I subscribe to are just as erratic, could someone throw some
> light on this please?
>
> Andy J.

Try deleting the .msf file for the newsgroup in question. Its located in
your profile, in the News folder. <nameofnewsgroup>.msf

That sometimes cures the situation, which arises when messages are
cancelled in a group

Moz Champion wrote:
> Andy J. wrote:
>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
>> relationship to reality....[snip].
>
> Try deleting the .msf file for the newsgroup in question. Its located in
> your profile, in the News folder. <nameofnewsgroup>.msf ..[snip]

Thanks Moz, that worked but it did have a couple of side-effects. The
newsgroup 'reset' and asked me the 'download 500 headers' question as if
you'd just subscribed, also it caused the Netscape Quality Agent (or
whatever) to run everytime I started Thunderbird. I've switched that
off now, but I can't understand what kicked it into life.

Andy J.

Andy J. wrote:

> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
> relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34

There's been quite a bit of discussion about this in the
netscape.mozilla.thunderbird newsgroup if you have access to it. The bug
has been reported, but no indication as to when it might be fixed.

--
Baxter

Baxter Tocher wrote:
> Andy J. wrote:
>
>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
>> relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
>
>
> There's been quite a bit of discussion about this in the
> netscape.mozilla.thunderbird newsgroup if you have access to it. The bug
> has been reported, but no indication as to when it might be fixed.
>


I've also posted this and similar questions here a few times. Deleting
the .MSF files does temporarily clear out the untrue unread
stats/numbers, but they begin to grow back almost instantly.

--
Herb

Baxter Tocher wrote:

> Andy J. wrote:
>
>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
>> relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
>
>
> There's been quite a bit of discussion about this in the
> netscape.mozilla.thunderbird newsgroup if you have access to it. The bug
> has been reported, but no indication as to when it might be fixed.
>
If you're going to post info about another newsgroup on another
server, it does help if you post the FULL info, as such:
snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.mozilla.thunderbird. Otherwise,
people will be trying to locate that newsgroup in the usenet, which it
doesn't exist there. They'll be complaining "I can't find it! Where
is it?"

GWTC wrote:

> If you're going to post info about another newsgroup on another server,
> it does help if you post the FULL info, as such:
> snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.mozilla.thunderbird. Otherwise,
> people will be trying to locate that newsgroup in the usenet, which it
> doesn't exist there. They'll be complaining "I can't find it! Where is
> it?"

Thanks - I looked for an easy way to identify the newsgroup details, and
cut and paste that info from Thunderbird, but couldn't find it.

--
Baxter

Andy J. wrote:
> Moz Champion wrote:
>
>> Andy J. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear
>>> any relationship to reality....[snip].
>>
>>
>> Try deleting the .msf file for the newsgroup in question. Its located
>> in your profile, in the News folder. <nameofnewsgroup>.msf ..[snip]
>
>
> Thanks Moz, that worked but it did have a couple of side-effects. The
> newsgroup 'reset' and asked me the 'download 500 headers' question as if
> you'd just subscribed, also it caused the Netscape Quality Agent (or
> whatever) to run everytime I started Thunderbird. I've switched that
> off now, but I can't understand what kicked it into life.
>
> Andy J.

When you delete the msf file, you are deleting the index for the group.
Moz asked to re-download the last xxx messages so it could rebuild the
index. Allow it to do so.

The 'Quality Agent' may or may not be related. Evidently something
occurred which the program interpreted as a 'crash', Talkback is simply
reporting it. You have a choice, allow it to communicate the report and
be done with it, or disable Talkback.

Baxter Tocher wrote:
> Andy J. wrote:
>
>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear any
>> relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
>
>
> There's been quite a bit of discussion about this in the
> netscape.mozilla.thunderbird newsgroup if you have access to it. The bug
> has been reported, but no indication as to when it might be fixed.
>

What bug? It was (in this case at least) simply an error in the index.
The OP reports that it was corrected with deleting the .msf file.

Herb wrote:
> Baxter Tocher wrote:
>
>> Andy J. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using Thunderbird 1.0.6 under Mandrake 10.1 and was wondering why
>>> the 'unread' in brackets after each newsgroup doesn't seem to bear
>>> any relationship to reality. Currently I have one newsgroup showing 34
>>
>>
>>
>> There's been quite a bit of discussion about this in the
>> netscape.mozilla.thunderbird newsgroup if you have access to it. The
>> bug has been reported, but no indication as to when it might be fixed.
>>
>
>
> I've also posted this and similar questions here a few times. Deleting
> the .MSF files does temporarily clear out the untrue unread
> stats/numbers, but they begin to grow back almost instantly.
>

Depends upon the group. Cancellations (especially by moderators or
others) will introduce errors into the msf, the index of the group. Some
groups will not show any errors for months (years even), some will show
errors after just one re-visit. They are indications that
someone/something is deleting posts behind the scenes.