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David Dyer-Bennet 10-01-2012 07:22 PM

Re: Photo Opportunity
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}> writes:

> On 2012-09-30 18:59:53 -0700, Eric Stevens <> said:
>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:41:19 -0700, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}> wrote:
>>> On 2012-09-30 15:27:31 -0700, Eric Stevens <> said:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:05:27 -0700, Savageduck
>>>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}> wrote:
>>>> --- snip ---
>>>>>> Well, they have successfully completed the maiden flight which, as I
>>>>>> had hoped, was two days before the official launching. The official
>>>>>> launching was two days ago and was quite a spectacle. I missed the
>>>>>> start because traffic congestion on the road to the airfield was
>>>>>> horrendous and I would have made much better time if I had walked the
>>>>>> last 3 or 4 miles. Nevertheless I came away with 547 photographs, some
>>>>>> of which may be acceptable. I won't be able to publish even a
>>>>>> selection of them until the inevitable furor round [SI] dies down but
>>>>>> here is something for a start
>>>>>> The blue sky was quite exceptional. It was normally a dull gray into
>>>>>> which the Mosquito blended perfectly.
>>>>> Oh! You can get to work on them, and get some out to the appreciative.
>>>>> I am sorting through my keepers after yesterday's local air show,
>>>>> "Warbirds Over Paso" ( that is Paso Robles, CA, not El Paso TX). My sky
>>>>> was cloudless, and the temp hit 101ºF (38.33ºC) with no shade!
>>>>> Here is a taster;
>>>>> < >
>>>>> < >
>>>> I envy you the weather (except for sunburn etc) but you can keep the
>>>> temperature. We had a high of 68F (20C) with ever thickening deep grey
>>>> clouds with rain at the end of the day. I can't match your lighting
>>>> but otherwise I will raise you:
>>> ...but my Ace in the hole trumps your mixed flush. I give you a one of
>>> a kind, Northrop N9-MB.
>>> < >

>> I've already given you one of a kind - the Mosquito, but I can see
>> that your is somewhat different.

> However there are other Mosquitoes flying, disqualifying it as "One of
> a kind", there is only one N9-MD.
>> Here is another one of a kind - the only surviving Avro Anson Mk1 from
>> 76 years ago A light
>> bomber, 300lb bomb load.

> The folks at Duxford would disagree, as they have their fully restored
> Anson Mk1 and they note theirs as one of a handful of survivors. There
> are several Anson variants which are still flying Air Atlantique
> Classic Flight of Coventry have a restored and fully flyable Mk21.
>>> and then there are these guys:
>>> < >

>> For some reason neither our Yak nor our Tempest 2 was flying that day.
>> Pity.
>>> BTW: I don't mean to be picky, but did you use heavy noise reduction?

>> No two are the same. I used noise reduction for some, but only as a
>> consequence of sharpening. What made you ask and which ones are you
>> referring to?

> Both. The detail seems smeared, even with the Anson. It is worse with
> the formation shot and the solo Mossie shot.
> You have good glass with the 70-200mm f/2.8 and you should be getting
> better quality than I see in any of those shots.
> Something is wrong. I suspect you are shooting wide open at f/2.8 and
> that the problem is related to that.

Yep, wide aperture. There are a couple of plugins for Firefox (and no
doubt for other browsers) that let you pop up the EXIF info for an image
with a right-click menu entry, and I find those *VERY* useful when
looking at photos being discussed by other photographers. And thank you
both for leaving the EXIF info intact!

> I am using an AF-S 70-300mm 1:4.5-5.6G VR which is 1/3 the cost of the
> premium glass you are using, and we are using the same camera. I have
> cropped to get my final images. I can't see how you could possibly
> make a quality crop with what you have shown us.
> Here is one of my unadjusted, uncropped shots compared with my
> adjusted, cropped shot with nary a touch of sharpening applied. With
> your glass & camera you should be able to get far more detailed images
> of that Mossie.
> <

> Then, always apply noise reduction as the first part of the work flow,
> not as an afterthought subsequent to sharpening. You can't fix over
> sharpening with noise reduction.

That does match my own early experiments, and what I consistently hear
from printers more experienced than me. (We don't have a general word
for the whole world of still image post-processing really. I tend to
just say "printing".)

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Wolfgang Weisselberg 10-07-2012 01:58 PM

Re: Photo Opportunity
Eric Stevens <> wrote:

> I did my processing with NX2. It's Noise Reduction includes a slider
> for 'Sharpening'. That's where I did the sharpenning after noise
> reduction - just as much sharpening as the image will stand without
> noise.

As I understand it, that sharpening slider is merely to counter
the softening induced by denoising.


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