spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

We are in four in our house: a couple living on the ground floor, my next
door flatmate and myself living upstairs.
I signed a contract with a phone company and I am happy to pay for 10 Mbps I
receive.
Recently they all come to me saying: why don't we share the internet
coonection?
Ok, I say, 5 pounds each for a total of 20 pounds. After all, everybody will
use the internet. Seemed fair. But no...

The couple, overexcited, say: NOOO, we want to split it by 3. Three rooms in
the house, three lines, 7 pounds each. We pay for the "line" you are giving
us and can use it as much as we want.
The guy next door goes: NOOO, we need a meter.........pay as you go!!!

To me that is pure bullshit and don't want to do it. This is what I think.
Suppose we do the split by 3. Roughly, each room would get, theoretically, 3
Mbps.
The couple downstair will suck more bandwith throughout the day because they
are in two, I will therefore experience a poorer quality of service for a
longer time and my 3 Mbps become a lot less overall.
They said that even if they shared the room with 10 people, they would still
only pay for their "line".

The metering option would be better but at that time I thought I would still
get such a recuced quality on MY line that I would be better off not sharing
at all.


I told them that both options are crap and there is only one way. The way I
want.
Essentially, we split the line by 3 and the speed is capped @ 3 Mbps per
line (per room) using a router capable of doing that. Only then everyone is
free to do what they want with their line. They can ask the whole street to
use their internet.

I see no other fair alternative but they keep saying I am wrong and cannot
"see" their point. So I am the asshole.

I posted here 'cause they really **** me off and would like your opinions or
suggestions. I decided to share, so not sharing is not an option.

Thanks and sorry for the long message

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 09:05:08 -0800, Evan Platt wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:56:01 -0000, "mole" <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>>We are in four in our house: a couple living on the ground floor, my next
>>door flatmate and myself living upstairs.
>>I signed a contract with a phone company and I am happy to pay for 10 Mbps I
>>receive.
>>Recently they all come to me saying: why don't we share the internet
>>coonection?
>>Ok, I say, 5 pounds each for a total of 20 pounds. After all, everybody will
>>use the internet. Seemed fair. But no...
>>
>>The couple, overexcited, say: NOOO, we want to split it by 3. Three rooms in
>>the house, three lines, 7 pounds each. We pay for the "line" you are giving
>>us and can use it as much as we want.
>>The guy next door goes: NOOO, we need a meter.........pay as you go!!!
>>
>>To me that is pure bullshit and don't want to do it. This is what I think.
>>Suppose we do the split by 3. Roughly, each room would get, theoretically, 3
>>Mbps.
>>The couple downstair will suck more bandwith throughout the day because they
>>are in two, I will therefore experience a poorer quality of service for a
>>longer time and my 3 Mbps become a lot less overall.
>>They said that even if they shared the room with 10 people, they would still
>>only pay for their "line".
>>
>>The metering option would be better but at that time I thought I would still
>>get such a recuced quality on MY line that I would be better off not sharing
>>at all.
>>
>>
>>I told them that both options are crap and there is only one way. The way I
>>want.
>>Essentially, we split the line by 3 and the speed is capped @ 3 Mbps per
>>line (per room) using a router capable of doing that. Only then everyone is
>>free to do what they want with their line. They can ask the whole street to
>>use their internet.
>>
>>I see no other fair alternative but they keep saying I am wrong and cannot
>>"see" their point. So I am the asshole.
>>
>>I posted here 'cause they really **** me off and would like your opinions or
>>suggestions. I decided to share, so not sharing is not an option.
>>
>>Thanks and sorry for the long message
>
> Tell them to get their own internet connection.
>
> You do realize that since the connection is in YOUR name, if they say
> hack into the White House, download a ton of movies, then upload all
> the mp3's and illegal movies all over the place, guess who the police
> / Secret Service are going to come after. Yep, you.
>
> Good luck proving to them it was your roomate / neighbor.


Hey Evan, are you finally saying that it is now possible to have more than
one person use the same IP? Absolutely amazing. After how many times of you
bashing me down and saying that ain't possible.

Ever hear of logging? With proper software, he can keep track of every
little thing that passes through the router.

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

Good point Mr. Evan Platt
And 100% Right

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Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:56:01 -0000, mole wrote:

> We are in four in our house: a couple living on the ground floor, my next
> door flatmate and myself living upstairs.
> I signed a contract with a phone company and I am happy to pay for 10 Mbps I
> receive.
> Recently they all come to me saying: why don't we share the internet
> coonection?
> Ok, I say, 5 pounds each for a total of 20 pounds. After all, everybody will
> use the internet. Seemed fair. But no...
>
> The couple, overexcited, say: NOOO, we want to split it by 3. Three rooms in
> the house, three lines, 7 pounds each. We pay for the "line" you are giving
> us and can use it as much as we want.
> The guy next door goes: NOOO, we need a meter.........pay as you go!!!
>
> To me that is pure bullshit and don't want to do it. This is what I think.
> Suppose we do the split by 3. Roughly, each room would get, theoretically, 3
> Mbps.
> The couple downstair will suck more bandwith throughout the day because they
> are in two, I will therefore experience a poorer quality of service for a
> longer time and my 3 Mbps become a lot less overall.
> They said that even if they shared the room with 10 people, they would still
> only pay for their "line".
>
> The metering option would be better but at that time I thought I would still
> get such a recuced quality on MY line that I would be better off not sharing
> at all.
>
>
> I told them that both options are crap and there is only one way. The way I
> want.
> Essentially, we split the line by 3 and the speed is capped @ 3 Mbps per
> line (per room) using a router capable of doing that. Only then everyone is
> free to do what they want with their line. They can ask the whole street to
> use their internet.
>
> I see no other fair alternative but they keep saying I am wrong and cannot
> "see" their point. So I am the asshole.
>
> I posted here 'cause they really **** me off and would like your opinions or
> suggestions. I decided to share, so not sharing is not an option.
>
> Thanks and sorry for the long message

Tell them to get their own damn phone lines.

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

mole wrote:

> Essentially, we split the line by 3 and the speed is capped @ 3 Mbps per
> line (per room) using a router capable of doing that. Only then everyone is
> free to do what they want with their line. They can ask the whole street to
> use their internet.

This seems reasonable, but with the bitching going on someone
is bound to test the speed and when they're not getting their
full 3 Mbps, they'll short-pay you.

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

>
> Tell them to get their own internet connection.
>
> You do realize that since the connection is in YOUR name, if they say
> hack into the White House, download a ton of movies, then upload all
> the mp3's and illegal movies all over the place, guess who the police
> / Secret Service are going to come after. Yep, you.
>
> Good luck proving to them it was your roomate / neighbor.


Had not thought of that....
But let's assume they are safe. And I have to share. What is the fairest
solution? How would you do it?

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

mole wrote:

> We are in four in our house: a couple living on the ground floor, my next
> door flatmate and myself living upstairs.
> I signed a contract with a phone company and I am happy to pay for 10 Mbps I
> receive.
> Recently they all come to me saying: why don't we share the internet
> coonection?
> Ok, I say, 5 pounds each for a total of 20 pounds. After all, everybody will
> use the internet. Seemed fair. But no...
>
> The couple, overexcited, say: NOOO, we want to split it by 3. Three rooms in
> the house, three lines, 7 pounds each. We pay for the "line" you are giving
> us and can use it as much as we want.
> The guy next door goes: NOOO, we need a meter.........pay as you go!!!
>
> To me that is pure bullshit and don't want to do it. This is what I think.
> Suppose we do the split by 3. Roughly, each room would get, theoretically, 3
> Mbps.
> The couple downstair will suck more bandwith throughout the day because they
> are in two, I will therefore experience a poorer quality of service for a
> longer time and my 3 Mbps become a lot less overall.
> They said that even if they shared the room with 10 people, they would still
> only pay for their "line".
>
> The metering option would be better but at that time I thought I would still
> get such a recuced quality on MY line that I would be better off not sharing
> at all.
>
> I told them that both options are crap and there is only one way. The way I
> want.
> Essentially, we split the line by 3 and the speed is capped @ 3 Mbps per
> line (per room) using a router capable of doing that. Only then everyone is
> free to do what they want with their line. They can ask the whole street to
> use their internet.
>
> I see no other fair alternative but they keep saying I am wrong and cannot
> "see" their point. So I am the asshole.
>
> I posted here 'cause they really **** me off and would like your opinions or
> suggestions. I decided to share, so not sharing is not an option.
>
> Thanks and sorry for the long message

You really have that much of a problem in deciding whether or not to
share YOUR resource and, if so, just HOW *you* decide to share it? Just
make whatever plan YOU like, offer it, and if they don't like it then
they don't get to participate. If they don't like your solution then
let them find their own.

You have to share YOUR car because you all live in the same residence?
No. If you choose to share your car, they get to decide how they get to
use YOUR property? No. If you're the homeowner and you're paying the
bills then you get to decide whether or not you share at all and if you
share then you get to decide just how you will share. If they don't
like it then **** 'em and let them find their own separate solutions.
You offered. That's all that is required if you're concerned about
being polite and friendly. You don't have to kowtow to anyone's
greediness or view regarding fairness. It's not their property. It's
not their resource. Grow a backbone.

If you do decide to share, just HOW are you going to meter how much
bandwidth any one of the users will get to avoid them sucking it all up,
like downloading porn videos or movies, so no one else can get any
traffic? Have you even started investigating the QoS features in
routers? Or are you really going to setup a gateway host through which
all the users are switched to the Internet to perform network shaping to
ensure each user gets what they were promised and cannot interfere with
use by other users? Before you go deciding on sharing, you better
decide on how much money or time you will spend setting this all up.

Also, are you sure your ISP lets you redistribute their service to
others? That's not likely. You will end up violating their TOS which
could result in not just you but everyone there losing the service.

Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:26:42 +0000, mole wrote:


>> Tell them to get their own internet connection.
>>
>> You do realize that since the connection is in YOUR name, if they say
>> hack into the White House, download a ton of movies, then upload all
>> the mp3's and illegal movies all over the place, guess who the police /
>> Secret Service are going to come after. Yep, you.
>>
>> Good luck proving to them it was your roomate / neighbor.
>
>
> Had not thought of that....
> But let's assume they are safe. And I have to share. What is the fairest
> solution? How would you do it?

A router or 3rd party software that supports QOS bandwidth limiting.
Don't know the specifics for home use but if you wanted to spend the
money a router and managed switch would do the job.



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Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:20:35 -0700, richard wrote:

> Hey Evan, are you finally saying that it is now possible to have more
> than one person use the same IP?

Not that I noticed.

> Absolutely amazing. After how many
> times of you bashing me down and saying that ain't possible.

It isn't.



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Re: spitting internet connection in flatshare
 

mole wrote:

> But let's assume they are safe. And I have to share. What is the fairest
> solution? How would you do it?

There is more to this 'problem' than you have addressed.

You are (would be) assuming the responsibility of 'network
administrator' who is responsible for the network's distribution assets
and whether they are working properly or not and how they will be
apportioned and how any bandwidth hogs will be admin/ed as well as how
the cost of the resources should be apportioned.

Your admin will require rules about the potential for not only being a
bandwidth hog, but also what about illegal activities and what kinds of
logs you will keep to manage both the bandwidth records and the policing.

Of course you also need to know about the TOS for your provider.

If you decide to take on the responsibility, then the cost should be
more than just the cost of the bandwidth, but it should also include the
concept of your router or access points or whatever.

The 'base' price could be divided by whichever is the appropriate
integral such as 3 or 4, but the bandwidth usage needs oversight so that
the proportional charges can be levied on whoever is using the most. I
suspect that the very same people who think they should be paying 1/3
together instead of 2/4 together will be the ones eating bandwidth like mad.


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