DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

Hello,

Today I turned on my PC again... I almost forgot to look at the cpu fan !
which would be dangerous if I forgot to do that !

This time I was like "oh ****"... "I better check that cpu fan again"...

This time I noticed what happened/maybe something else happened... The cpu
fan spin up a little bit... but then it stopped spinning.

I quickly pressed reset button before it booted into windows... after a
reset it started spinning better.

To me this is a very clear sign that the cpu fan is actually DIRTY and
STUCK...

Maybe because of oil I tried to put in it long ago, it must have merged with
dust... or maybe the oil helped a little bit.

I am not sure what I should do... oil it ? or clean it first ? Clean it
first might not be possible ? Oil it might help or might make it worse.

One thing I should not do:

Attempt to clean it... last time I tried that with a graphics card fan... I
broke off the fan blade... and got stuck with a dead computer... maybe that
even happened to my older pentium II cpu fan as well... I think so... not
sure can't remember.

THIS SITUATION HAS NOW OFFICIAL ESCALATED FROM A PHASE 1 to a PHASE 2 to a
PHASE 3 !!!!!!

MY COMPUTER SYSTEM IS NOW OFFICIALLY AT DEFCON 3 MOTHER****ER
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFFF CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO NN N
33333333
D D E F C O O N N N
3
D D E F C O O N N N
3
D D E F C O O N N N
3
D D EEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFF C O O N N N
33333333
D D E F C O O N N N
3
D D E F C O O N N N
3
D D E F C O O N NN
3
DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE F CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO N N
33333333


I will probably have to find a new tiny cpu fan or totall cpu fan/heatsink
package before I start working on my PC !

(In case of backup needed !;):))

ARGH !

Bye,
Skybuck.

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

"Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFuture@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c40ab$4ba7a2d6$d53371df$710@cache2.tilbu1.nb. home.nl...
> Hello,
>
> Today I turned on my PC again... I almost forgot to look at the cpu fan !
> which would be dangerous if I forgot to do that !
>
> This time I was like "oh ****"... "I better check that cpu fan again"...
>
> This time I noticed what happened/maybe something else happened... The cpu
> fan spin up a little bit... but then it stopped spinning.
>
> I quickly pressed reset button before it booted into windows... after a
> reset it started spinning better.
>
> To me this is a very clear sign that the cpu fan is actually DIRTY and
> STUCK...
>
> Maybe because of oil I tried to put in it long ago, it must have merged
> with dust... or maybe the oil helped a little bit.
>
> I am not sure what I should do... oil it ? or clean it first ? Clean it
> first might not be possible ? Oil it might help or might make it worse.
>
> One thing I should not do:
>
> Attempt to clean it... last time I tried that with a graphics card fan...
> I broke off the fan blade... and got stuck with a dead computer... maybe
> that even happened to my older pentium II cpu fan as well... I think so...
> not

Little typo... I never owned a pentium II, I ment pentium III (LOL).

> sure can't remember.
>
> THIS SITUATION HAS NOW OFFICIAL ESCALATED FROM A PHASE 1 to a PHASE 2 to a
> PHASE 3 !!!!!!
>
> MY COMPUTER SYSTEM IS NOW OFFICIALLY AT DEFCON 3 MOTHER****ER
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFFF CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO NN N
> 33333333
> D D E F C O O N N N 3
> D D E F C O O N N N 3
> D D E F C O O N N N 3
> D D EEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFF C O O N N N
> 33333333
> D D E F C O O N N N 3
> D D E F C O O N N N 3
> D D E F C O O N NN 3
> DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE F CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO N N
> 33333333

^ Stinking format nazi's ! ;) :)

>
>
> I will probably have to find a new tiny cpu fan or totall cpu fan/heatsink
> package before I start working on my PC !
>
> (In case of backup needed !;):))
>
> ARGH !
>
> Bye,
> Skybuck.
>
>

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:03:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
<IntoTheFuture@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Today I turned on my PC again... I almost forgot to look at the cpu fan !
>which would be dangerous if I forgot to do that !
>
>This time I was like "oh ****"... "I better check that cpu fan again"...
>
>This time I noticed what happened/maybe something else happened... The cpu
>fan spin up a little bit... but then it stopped spinning.
>
>I quickly pressed reset button before it booted into windows... after a
>reset it started spinning better.
>
>To me this is a very clear sign that the cpu fan is actually DIRTY and
>STUCK...
>
>Maybe because of oil I tried to put in it long ago, it must have merged with
>dust... or maybe the oil helped a little bit.
>
>I am not sure what I should do... oil it ? or clean it first ? Clean it
>first might not be possible ? Oil it might help or might make it worse.
>
>One thing I should not do:
>
>Attempt to clean it... last time I tried that with a graphics card fan... I
>broke off the fan blade... and got stuck with a dead computer... maybe that
>even happened to my older pentium II cpu fan as well... I think so... not
>sure can't remember.
>
>THIS SITUATION HAS NOW OFFICIAL ESCALATED FROM A PHASE 1 to a PHASE 2 to a
>PHASE 3 !!!!!!
>
>MY COMPUTER SYSTEM IS NOW OFFICIALLY AT DEFCON 3 MOTHER****ER
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFFF CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO NN N
>33333333
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D EEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFF C O O N N N
>33333333
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N NN
>3
>DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE F CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO N N
>33333333
>
>
>I will probably have to find a new tiny cpu fan or totall cpu fan/heatsink
>package before I start working on my PC !
>
>(In case of backup needed !;):))
>
>ARGH !
>
>Bye,
> Skybuck.
>
I've been going through the same kind of CPU fan irregularity set of
problems and I still haven't found the cause. My computer is running
Windows XP Pro with Service Pack 3 installed. It has a Gigabyte
S-Series GA-P35-DS3L motherboard with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor
and two A-Data 2gb ddr2 SDRAM memory sticks. It has been a very stable
and reliable computer for a year and a half, since I built it but
about a month ago it started throwing fits with the CPU fan and long
beeps when I boot. If I re-boot the second boot usually goes to
completion with no problems, and the computer will then operate
flawlessly until I shut it down then re-boot the next time. This seems
to be thermally related in that the computer has to have been shut
down long enough for everything to cool off.

I'm increasingly convinced that this set of problems started after an
on-line update, but I don't know what was updated or changed.

Gordon

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

Skybuck Flying wrote:
> Bye,
> Skybuck.

Have you ever considdered that any hardware owned by you would be prone to
go suicidal?

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

"Thomas Andersson" <thomas@tifozi.net> wrote in message
news:80ps6bFs0iU1@mid.individual.net...
> Skybuck Flying wrote:
>> Bye,
>> Skybuck.
>
> Have you ever considdered that any hardware owned by you would be prone to
> go suicidal?

My hardware might be a little bit dusty, but that's because I always give it
lot's of love and attention... it's love dust :)

I even respect the elderly, they all sitting right next to me, nice and
cousy ;) :)

Unlike some people who dump their elderly in the waste basket ?! ;) :) |D

Bye,
Skybuck.

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

Sounds like the MB connector for the fan is defective or the speed
control is malfunctioning.

Why don't you just plug the fan either into a non-speed controlled
port on the MB or directly to the 12v powercable via an adapter.
If it runs at fullspeed al the time insert a variable resistor in
series with it to control the speed.

This is safer than having a fan that turns intermittentlyl.
Of course, if the fan or its connector is defective that won't work -
then replace the fan. They're cheap enough.

-=tom=-

"Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFuture@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Today I turned on my PC again... I almost forgot to look at the cpu fan !
>which would be dangerous if I forgot to do that !
>
>This time I was like "oh ****"... "I better check that cpu fan again"...
>
>This time I noticed what happened/maybe something else happened... The cpu
>fan spin up a little bit... but then it stopped spinning.
>
>I quickly pressed reset button before it booted into windows... after a
>reset it started spinning better.
>
>To me this is a very clear sign that the cpu fan is actually DIRTY and
>STUCK...
>
>Maybe because of oil I tried to put in it long ago, it must have merged with
>dust... or maybe the oil helped a little bit.
>
>I am not sure what I should do... oil it ? or clean it first ? Clean it
>first might not be possible ? Oil it might help or might make it worse.
>
>One thing I should not do:
>
>Attempt to clean it... last time I tried that with a graphics card fan... I
>broke off the fan blade... and got stuck with a dead computer... maybe that
>even happened to my older pentium II cpu fan as well... I think so... not
>sure can't remember.
>
>THIS SITUATION HAS NOW OFFICIAL ESCALATED FROM A PHASE 1 to a PHASE 2 to a
>PHASE 3 !!!!!!
>
>MY COMPUTER SYSTEM IS NOW OFFICIALLY AT DEFCON 3 MOTHER****ER
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFFF CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO NN N
>33333333
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D EEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFF C O O N N N
>33333333
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N N N
>3
>D D E F C O O N NN
>3
>DDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEE F CCCCCCCCC OOOOOOOO N N
>33333333
>
>
>I will probably have to find a new tiny cpu fan or totall cpu fan/heatsink
>package before I start working on my PC !
>
>(In case of backup needed !;):))
>
>ARGH !
>
>Bye,
> Skybuck.
>

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

I can confirm your weirdness in a way...

What happens on my system is very weird too, to me it definetly seems like a
bug or hardware malfunction, not necessaryily a dirty fan shaft.

What happens is the following:

1. I turn my computer on for the first time.

2. The cpu fan speeds up at full throttle.

3. The bios starts booting.

4. When it's done booting it displays a waiting message, a countdown.

During this count down the cpu fan shuts down completely. It just stops
spinning which is very weird.

5. Then as I press reset and the computer reboots, the cpu fan starts
spinning again at full speed.

Then as the countdown happens the cpu fan spins at medium speed.

My conclusion:

It's probably a bug in the hardware/software/bios, not necessarily a dirty
fan shaft, because that wouldn't make sense...

Why would it stop the first time and spin the second time ?

^ very strange indeed.

I suspect foil play... I suspect that this bug has been introduced into the
bios software on purpose to kill my hardware after a few years.

I further suspect that if a customer was to call the service line they would
say: "just reboot" and see what happens... and then ofcourse the bug would
magically disappear... and then they would say: "see no problem" ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

I have an idea though:

I will download the bios software from the bios chip onto a floppy disk.

Then I will try and find a bios hardware simulator and execute the bios
inside the simulator.

Maybe something weird will happen in the simulator as well...

If the saboteurs were smart they would have modified the download process as
well... to give me a fake image.

But maybe they can't influence the download process and thus their foil
activities would become apperent ! ;) :)

Bye,
Skybuck.

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER. (AMD SimNow 4.5.2 has no CPU FAN emulator :( )
 

I have tried and done the following things:

1. Downloaded the bios rom from bios chip to floppy disk.
(Special AFUDOS bootdisk needed) (It's kinda strange afudos didn't want to
run with ms-dos 6.22 bootdisk, so it needs it's own special dos ?)
(Fortunately I already had all the necessary disks from the past
experimention with bioses ;) :))

2. Transferred the bios rom image from floppy disk to harddrive to my
information folder for future archiving. (I make backups of my information
folder regularly, like each year or so... this will be handy if I want to
inspect the suspicious bios in the future in case current software is
inadequete).

3. Downloaded special AMITOOLS to investigate American Megatrends Inc.
bioses. (I guess these tools are not available by official channels, and
must be downloaded from pirates(?) :))

4. Supplied at least on executable to an anti virus scanner to see if it's
not infected, nothing found.

5. Run these tools which I will here not further specify to investigate the
"casual" bios settings/options and what not via gui. This bios has many
features. The rom image is exactly 1MB which is quite large for my taste ;)
Nothing irregular found with the tools so far.

6. I tried to export some rom information, and tried to reverse/dissassembly
some parts of it, this was unsuccessfull, ida pro doesn't recgonize it, it
doesn't know where to start and neither do I. It tries to analyze it as Z80
?!? I set it to x286, or athlon etc, but it still doesn't know where to
start.

7. I also looked at some "hackers" tutorial how "he" does things... hackers
doesn't explain how to reverse engineer some things... he did mention the
following:
"SingleLinkArch" is the main rom section of the bios ? (Hacker was trying to
do something with keyloggers/anti keyloggers)

8. I also already noticed myself there is something called a "bootblock" I
wonder if it contains any "cpu fan" related instructions ?!?

9. I also figured out reverse engineering it wasn't going to provide me with
lot's of data unless it was in c source or pascal like form... mostly it
would be in asm language form which would/could be difficult to understand.

So I went back to the original plan:

10. Trying to run it in a simulator, this was actually the first thing I
tried but AMD SimNow 4.4 doesn't allow to create a system, so I went to AMD
site to see if something better/newer is available. AMD SimNow 4.5.2 is now
available and does allow to create a custom virtual pc. Unfortunately for
me... I do not yet quite understand how to do that because it requires to
attach some kind of devices together which I have never heard of ?! ;) :)

This time AMD SimNow 4.5.2 does come with some system images, but these seem
to be weird hardware systems... I am not sure if it actually contains a PC
system ?!? Which is kinda odd...

11. I also tried to use the weird systems with my bios rom image... The AMD
SimNow 4.5.2 needs to know the size of the rom image in 32 KB chunks... I am
guessing it's 1024/32 = 32 ?!?

12. It also needs to know the "base address" or "entry address" or something
like that into the BIOS image... I am not sure what that value would be, or
how to find out... so that's something that would be needed to figure out in
the future.

However I decided before I was going to try and get a system working in full
it would be smart to simply load the pre-installed systems and see if there
is such a thing as a cpu fan indicator/device or variable or whatever.

13. This seems not to be the case... So the funny thing is: "The cpu fan"
can now be simulated... thus a crucial system component is actually not in
the simulator which is kinda amuzing to me... It's also not really that
surprising and it also explains a lot... It explains how a cpu fan
failure/bug might have gone unnoticed ;) :)

14. The last thing I did (actually before I noticed the cpu fan simulation
is missing) was sent a message/response/feedback to AMD support to explain
my problem, my goal and asking if it was possible... I guess for now with
the current version it's not possible.

So end conclusion:

For now I will have to wait with the bios analysis until:

1. AMD SimNow gets CPU FAN device support/emulation.

2. AMD SimNow comes pre-installed with a realistic pc system scenerio ! ;)
:) Preferably Asus A8N32-SLI/AMI BIOS like system with Athlon Processor ;)
:)

Bye,
Skybuck =D

Re: DANGER DANGER THIRD DAY CPU FAN FAILURE DANGER DANGER
 

The situation has become even more absurd:

"Now during boot I am required to press reset twice" otherwise the cpu fan
would still stop after the first reset.

It's almost as if there is a counter which says: "now you must reset twice"
?!?

Bye,
Skybuck.