pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

Sorry for repeating this post which some of you may remember..
but I have tacked some important info onto the end of it ..........
...........
I have just replaced my motherboard ( a straight swap for the same model ) .
Its an asrock k758x.
Seems fine but there is one problem.
I turn it on & on the first attempt the fans start up but nothing else. No
beeps , no signal to the monitor ..nothing.
So I turn it off again. On the 2nd attempt it boots up fine , no problems
at all.
And thats the way it goes every time. The 1st attempt always fails. The 2nd
attempt always boots up ok.
I know I can always turn it on at the 2nd attempt but why do I have to go
through the same routine of the first attempt failing?

..................... ok that was my post from last time but I am as sure
as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard and
put my old one back in.
The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the only
thing that is different from me having the problem & not having the problem.
I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double check & this confirmed
the problem only ever happens with my xp2200 cpu. My bios detects the right
cpu & speed so are there any suggestions why this happens ?

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> tomm wrote:
>> Sorry for repeating this post which some of you may remember..
>> but I have tacked some important info onto the end of it ..........
>> ..........
>> I have just replaced my motherboard ( a straight swap for the same
>> model ) .
>> Its an asrock k758x.
>> Seems fine but there is one problem.
>> I turn it on & on the first attempt the fans start up but nothing else.
>> No
>> beeps , no signal to the monitor ..nothing.
>> So I turn it off again. On the 2nd attempt it boots up fine , no problems
>> at all.
>> And thats the way it goes every time. The 1st attempt always fails. The
>> 2nd
>> attempt always boots up ok.
>> I know I can always turn it on at the 2nd attempt but why do I have to
>> go
>> through the same routine of the first attempt failing?
>>
>> .................... ok that was my post from last time but I am as
>> sure as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
>> I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard and
>> put my old one back in.
>> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the only
>> thing that is different from me having the problem & not having the
>> problem. I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double check &
>> this confirmed the problem only ever happens with my xp2200 cpu. My bios
>> detects the right cpu & speed so are there any suggestions why this
>> happens ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Have a loot at the mfg's website to see if they have a newer bios that
> addresses that issue and if so re-flash your bios
>
> otherwise, just use your original CPU

I am already using the latest version.. Plus I cant use my original cpu as
it caused random rebooting .
The very reason I had to swap my mb (needlessly as it turned out) and my
cpu

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

tomm wrote:
>..... ok that was my post from last time but I am as
> sure as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
> I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard
> and put my old one back in.
> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the
> only thing that is different from me having the problem & not having
> the problem. I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double
> check & this confirmed the problem only ever happens with my xp2200
> cpu. My bios detects the right cpu & speed so are there any
> suggestions why this happens ?

I seem to remember your original post.
Did you ever try a different power supply? I think you did, and if so, just
disregard.
The reason behind that was that it takes more power to start spinning up the
HDD than it does to do a warm reboot while the HDD is still spinning.
Buffalo
PS: If you ever get it figured out, PLEASE post back! :)

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in
news:gtqfus$36r$1@news.motzarella.org:

>
>
> tomm wrote:
>>..... ok that was my post from last time but I am as
>> sure as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
>> I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard
>> and put my old one back in.
>> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the
>> only thing that is different from me having the problem & not having
>> the problem. I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double
>> check & this confirmed the problem only ever happens with my xp2200
>> cpu. My bios detects the right cpu & speed so are there any
>> suggestions why this happens ?
>
> I seem to remember your original post.
> Did you ever try a different power supply? I think you did, and if so,
> just disregard.
> The reason behind that was that it takes more power to start spinning up
> the HDD than it does to do a warm reboot while the HDD is still
> spinning. Buffalo
> PS: If you ever get it figured out, PLEASE post back! :)

As a matter of fact he *did* try a different power supply, but never
mentioned the power rating of either, making the mention meaningless of
course.

Message-ID: <00381447$0$21901$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>

Is the original post. Curiously with the same exact subject.


--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

On May 5, 5:02 pm, "tomm" <seamonsters1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry for repeating this post which some of you may remember..
> but I have tacked some important info onto the end of it ..........
> I turn it on & on the first attempt the fans start up but nothing else. No
> beeps , no signal to the monitor ..nothing.
> So I turn it off again. On the 2nd attempt it boots up fine , no problems
> at all.

Someone who actually did this stuff suggested the only action that
provides definitive answers. Do you ignore the meter because you fear
something that requires a 12 year old skillset, or just like always
being confused? What you have done is called shotgunning - fixing
things using only wild speculation. Even a auto mechanic that did
that would be quickly unemployed. Only fools shotgun.

A defective power supply can still boot a computer (which you may
have had). A new and good power supply can sometimes fail in an
otherwise perfectly good computer. More problems that the meter will
indentify in minutes so that you never see this (and some other)
problems months from now. So instead you swapped power supplies and
got more useless information.

Every answer will be nothing more than wild speculation if you do
not get and use the meter. Why do you fear having a useful answer in
only 30 seconds? How many parts have you wasting time and money on
and accomplish nothing? At what point do you listen to the only one
here who even designed these things?

You were provided the only answer that works. You ignored it: First,
measure DC voltage on purple, green, and gray wire (from power supply
to motherboard) by pressing probe inside the nylon connector. Read
these numbers both before and when power switch is pressed. Then post
those numbers here to learn what exists, why you did it, and what is
or is not defective. IOW get a definitive answer before replacing or
disconnecting anything. A 14 year old could have done this four
times while you were still trying to replace a motherboard or power
supply.

Also Measure any one of red, orange, and yellow wires when system is
powered up and accessing (multitasking to) all peripherals
simultaneously. IOW play complex graphics (a movie) while downloading
from the internet, while playing sounds loudly, while searching hard
drive, etc. Now those red, orange, and yellow wire voltages are
reporting what you have - definitively. You have no answer because
you shotgunned.

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:gtqfus$36r$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>
> tomm wrote:
>>..... ok that was my post from last time but I am as
>> sure as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
>> I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard
>> and put my old one back in.
>> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the
>> only thing that is different from me having the problem & not having
>> the problem. I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double
>> check & this confirmed the problem only ever happens with my xp2200
>> cpu. My bios detects the right cpu & speed so are there any
>> suggestions why this happens ?
>
> I seem to remember your original post.
> Did you ever try a different power supply? I think you did, and if so,
> just
> disregard.
> The reason behind that was that it takes more power to start spinning up
> the
> HDD than it does to do a warm reboot while the HDD is still spinning.
> Buffalo
> PS: If you ever get it figured out, PLEASE post back! :)
>
yes.. tried 2 different power supplies , 2 different motherboards . Stripped
the MB down to the bare componants needed to boot up. The problem is only
there with one of the processors (the slower one) .
As for the PS needing more power to boot the 1st time , I can turn it off
and on 10 times and the pc will only boot on
attempts 2, 4 , 6 , 8 & 10 without fail. Also the time between attempts
makes no difference. The time between attempts
1 & 2 can be 10 seconds or 10 hours.
The pc runs fine apart from this and I am thinking I am just going to have
to put up with it.

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

"chuckcar" <chuck@nil.car> wrote in message
news:Xns9C02EBE5F8256chucknilcar@127.0.0.1...
> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in
> news:gtqfus$36r$1@news.motzarella.org:
>
>>
>>
>> tomm wrote:
>>>..... ok that was my post from last time but I am as
>>> sure as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
>>> I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard
>>> and put my old one back in.
>>> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the
>>> only thing that is different from me having the problem & not having
>>> the problem. I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double
>>> check & this confirmed the problem only ever happens with my xp2200
>>> cpu. My bios detects the right cpu & speed so are there any
>>> suggestions why this happens ?
>>
>> I seem to remember your original post.
>> Did you ever try a different power supply? I think you did, and if so,
>> just disregard.
>> The reason behind that was that it takes more power to start spinning up
>> the HDD than it does to do a warm reboot while the HDD is still
>> spinning. Buffalo
>> PS: If you ever get it figured out, PLEASE post back! :)
>
> As a matter of fact he *did* try a different power supply, but never
> mentioned the power rating of either, making the mention meaningless of
> course.
>
> Message-ID: <00381447$0$21901$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>
>
> Is the original post. Curiously with the same exact subject.
>
>
> --

They were both 300w. Both tried with just the cpu & memory connected.
no, its not the memory either. both sticks tried alone , together and in
different slots.

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:30:46 +0100, "tomm"
<seamonsters1967@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> They were both 300w. Both tried with just the cpu & memory connected.
> no, its not the memory either. both sticks tried alone , together and in
>different slots.

Feel free to ignore chucktard. He's useless. You've gotten other good
advice - chucktards' advice isn't.
--
To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious from my e-mail address.

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

"westom" <westom1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4822a11-7b4a-4075-b8d5-22c72d6eae5f@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On May 5, 5:02 pm, "tomm" <seamonsters1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Sorry for repeating this post which some of you may remember..
>> but I have tacked some important info onto the end of it ..........
>> I turn it on & on the first attempt the fans start up but nothing else.
>> No
>> beeps , no signal to the monitor ..nothing.
>> So I turn it off again. On the 2nd attempt it boots up fine , no
>> problems
>> at all.
>
> Someone who actually did this stuff suggested the only action that
> provides definitive answers. Do you ignore the meter because you fear
> something that requires a 12 year old skillset, or just like always
> being confused? What you have done is called shotgunning - fixing
> things using only wild speculation. Even a auto mechanic that did
> that would be quickly unemployed. Only fools shotgun.
>
> A defective power supply can still boot a computer (which you may
> have had). A new and good power supply can sometimes fail in an
> otherwise perfectly good computer. More problems that the meter will
> indentify in minutes so that you never see this (and some other)
> problems months from now. So instead you swapped power supplies and
> got more useless information.
>
> Every answer will be nothing more than wild speculation if you do
> not get and use the meter. Why do you fear having a useful answer in
> only 30 seconds? How many parts have you wasting time and money on
> and accomplish nothing? At what point do you listen to the only one
> here who even designed these things?
>
> You were provided the only answer that works. You ignored it: First,
> measure DC voltage on purple, green, and gray wire (from power supply
> to motherboard) by pressing probe inside the nylon connector. Read
> these numbers both before and when power switch is pressed. Then post
> those numbers here to learn what exists, why you did it, and what is
> or is not defective. IOW get a definitive answer before replacing or
> disconnecting anything. A 14 year old could have done this four
> times while you were still trying to replace a motherboard or power
> supply.
>
> Also Measure any one of red, orange, and yellow wires when system is
> powered up and accessing (multitasking to) all peripherals
> simultaneously. IOW play complex graphics (a movie) while downloading
> from the internet, while playing sounds loudly, while searching hard
> drive, etc. Now those red, orange, and yellow wire voltages are
> reporting what you have - definitively. You have no answer because
> you shotgunned.

just out of interest... say YOU had a faulty PC... You tested the power
supply and in your opinion it was ok.
Then how else would you pinpoint the problem? Narrow it down to maybe the
MB & Processor by elimination?
Then swap the processor and everything works ok . So thats it.. you have
solved it . It was a faulty processor.
Nothing wrong with that process but you call it "scattergunning" and
mock someone who finds the fault that way.

Havent I eliminated the power supply ? Tried 2 different ones and the
problem is still there .
Swap the CPU and the problem is solved. 99% of the people on here would try
the elimination process to pinpoint a faulty componant and be
happy to do it that way. By eliminating and combining different parts I am
as certain as I can be it is linked to the cpu.

I am not even sure the cpu is faulty .. to boot up after 5 attempts ? yes
maybe faulty.
But to ONLY boot on even number attempts?

Re: pc starts at 2nd attempt (again!)
 

On Tue, 5 May 2009 22:02:14 +0100, "tomm"
<seamonsters1967@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Sorry for repeating this post which some of you may remember..
> but I have tacked some important info onto the end of it ..........
>..........
>I have just replaced my motherboard ( a straight swap for the same model ) .
>Its an asrock k758x.
> Seems fine but there is one problem.
> I turn it on & on the first attempt the fans start up but nothing else. No
>beeps , no signal to the monitor ..nothing.
> So I turn it off again. On the 2nd attempt it boots up fine , no problems
>at all.
> And thats the way it goes every time. The 1st attempt always fails. The 2nd
>attempt always boots up ok.
> I know I can always turn it on at the 2nd attempt but why do I have to go
>through the same routine of the first attempt failing?
>
>.................... ok that was my post from last time but I am as sure
>as I can be that it is connected to the cpu.
>I got fed up with the problem so I assumed it was the new motherboard and
>put my old one back in.
> The problem is still there so the problem must be the cpu. It is the only
>thing that is different from me having the problem & not having the problem.
>I also put my old cpu back in for a moment to double check & this confirmed
>the problem only ever happens with my xp2200 cpu. My bios detects the right
>cpu & speed so are there any suggestions why this happens ?
>
>
>
>
Your problem sounds like one I crossed a few years back.
Mine was an Abit MB IIRC but, the problem was with the boot
time for the hard drive. I do not recall exactly how the
problem was curred but, it involved adding 2 seconds to the
time allowed for the hard drive to spin up. This more or
less paused the oot process of the MB allowing the hard
drive to be ready. Otherwise, it would just hang as if there
was no drive installed. Pushing the reset button would
always start it. Do a google search for hard drive boot
delat and you will probably find quite a few things on it
including a little utility to pause the boot long enough for
the HD to spin up. Another problem you may have is a power
supply that is weak or overloaded resulting in low hd
voltage at boot. If adding the delay utility does the job
and the problem developed over time, I would bea little
suspicious of the PS unit. None of the above is guaranteed
to fix your problem but the utility is free. The info is
worth exactly what you paid for it unless it works in which
case luck was with you.

Lugnut