Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed, customers
won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will take
advantage of it.

So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed, customers
> won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will take
> advantage of it.
>
> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>
In this case, private enterprise, I think.

Cheers,

Cliff

--

The Internet is interesting in that although the nicknames may change,
the same old personalities show through.

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

Enkidu threw some characters down the intarwebs:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
>> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed,
>> customers won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications
>> that will take advantage of it.
>>
>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>>
> In this case, private enterprise, I think.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
If the price for international data doesn't drop significantly, and
national traffic is still charged at the same rate as international data
as it currently is with most DSL connections then I'd agree, it a waste
of money. If they separate national data and charge it at a low/zero
rate, or if the data caps are tripled (or more) for the same price then
maybe, just maybe it will a worthwhile spend up.

No point having a Ferrari if you only get a litre of gas a month :)

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

"Allistar" <b@c.com> wrote in message
news:jISdnQ14pp7LVjzUnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Enkidu wrote:
>
> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> >> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
> >>
>
<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...jectid=1055790
0>
> >> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed,
> >> customers won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that
> >> will take advantage of it.
> >>
> >> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
> >>
> > In this case, private enterprise, I think.
>
> Agreed. Personally I don't think broadband is anything to do with the
> government, and I definitely don't think they should be subsiding it.

Subsidising it?!? Hell, the Government should still OWN it.

Letting greedy big business run necessary public services like electricty,
phone lines, water pipes, "public" transport, etc. results in the attrocious
fourth-world mess we're already in with the likes of Telescum NZ and the
electricity companies where bugger all money being put back into keeping the
system running and up-to-date because they're too busy stuffing their own
pockets. x-(

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

In article <49a1b51d$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, Enkidu <enkidu.com@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
>>
> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
>
>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed, customers
>> won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will take
>> advantage of it.
>>
>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>>
>In this case, private enterprise, I think.

... doesn't sound likely when you type it like that, does it ? :)

Isn't it rather like roads ? ... if you build it they will come ?

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

Allistar wrote:
> Enkidu wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
>>>
> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
>>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed,
>>> customers won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that
>>> will take advantage of it.
>>>
>>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>>>
>> In this case, private enterprise, I think.
>
> Agreed. Personally I don't think broadband is anything to do with the
> government, and I definitely don't think they should be subsiding it.

However a replacement local loop that happens to be data capable is a
completely different kettle of fish and is how this undertaking should
be viewed.

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:22:14 GMT,
bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair)
wrote:

>In article <49a1b51d$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, Enkidu <enkidu.com@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
>>>
>> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
>>
>>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed, customers
>>> won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will take
>>> advantage of it.
>>>
>>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>>>
>>In this case, private enterprise, I think.
>
>.. doesn't sound likely when you type it like that, does it ? :)
>
>Isn't it rather like roads ? ... if you build it they will come ?

I would certainly come if they would build it. Sadly, they don't seem
interested in building anything out here unless you have lots of money
- TelstraClear has been laying fibre along the road for the past few
weeks, I presume going to Livestock Improvement Corporation further
along the road. Doesnt help me at all though - I've been talking to
TelstraClear for the past month and the final answer is broadband isnt
available here. The same response I got four years ago.

I live two (2) kilometers down the road from Waikato University.
During the summer my dialup connection can go as fast as 48k when the
lines aren't full of water - in the winter things are at times not so
good. I can't get ADSL because the distance to the exchange is too
great and there are something like three loading coils on it. There
are trees blocking wireless connections to a friends house in
Hillcrest and a hill blocking wireless internet. Cellphone reception
(especially vodafone) is poor and, like satellite, it is too
expensive.

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

In article <49a35ab9.5573904@news.motzarella.org>, dgsoftnz@gmail.com (David Goodwin) wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:22:14 GMT,
>bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOT nz (Bruce Sinclair)
>wrote:

>>In article <49a1b51d$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, Enkidu
> <enkidu.com@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
>>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
> <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557900>
>>>
>>>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed,
> customers
>>>> won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will take
>>>> advantage of it.
>>>>
>>>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
>>>>
>>>In this case, private enterprise, I think.
>>
>>.. doesn't sound likely when you type it like that, does it ? :)
>>Isn't it rather like roads ? ... if you build it they will come ?
>
>I would certainly come if they would build it. Sadly, they don't seem
>interested in building anything out here unless you have lots of money
>- TelstraClear has been laying fibre along the road for the past few
>weeks, I presume going to Livestock Improvement Corporation further
>along the road. Doesnt help me at all though - I've been talking to
>TelstraClear for the past month and the final answer is broadband isnt
>available here. The same response I got four years ago.

Hmmm ... now I bethink me ... I do seem to remember someone laying fiber
along side the desert road a year or so ago. I also recall that it was being
paid for by someone independently wealthy ... though that could have ben
wishful thinking. :) Anyone have any info about that ??

Telecom took months to install a broadband capable repeater box opposite our
(rural) house. More interestingly, thjey took a year and a half to tell us
they had ... their marketing usually leads their supply IME> :)

>I live two (2) kilometers down the road from Waikato University.
>During the summer my dialup connection can go as fast as 48k when the
>lines aren't full of water - in the winter things are at times not so
>good. I can't get ADSL because the distance to the exchange is too
>great and there are something like three loading coils on it. There
>are trees blocking wireless connections to a friends house in
>Hillcrest and a hill blocking wireless internet. Cellphone reception
>(especially vodafone) is poor and, like satellite, it is too
>expensive.

Repeater boxes are available and can be installed (see above). Why not get
together with a few neighbours and ask for one ... over and over ? :)

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

"David Goodwin" <dgsoftnz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49a35ab9.5573904@news.motzarella.org...
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:22:14 GMT,
> bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <49a1b51d$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, Enkidu
<enkidu.com@com.cliffp.com> wrote:
> >>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> >>> So, the Big Three have commissioned a report
> >>>
> >>
<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...jectid=1055790
0>
> >>
> >>> saying the Government's planned broadband investment isn't needed,
customers
> >>> won't pay for it, there aren't any upcoming applications that will
take
> >>> advantage of it.
> >>>
> >>> So who's right: Private Enterprise or the Government?
> >>>
> >>In this case, private enterprise, I think.
> >
> >.. doesn't sound likely when you type it like that, does it ? :)
> >
> >Isn't it rather like roads ? ... if you build it they will come ?
>
> I would certainly come if they would build it. Sadly, they don't seem
> interested in building anything out here unless you have lots of money
> - TelstraClear has been laying fibre along the road for the past few
> weeks, I presume going to Livestock Improvement Corporation further
> along the road. Doesnt help me at all though - I've been talking to
> TelstraClear for the past month and the final answer is broadband isnt
> available here. The same response I got four years ago.
>
> I live two (2) kilometers down the road from Waikato University.
> During the summer my dialup connection can go as fast as 48k when the
> lines aren't full of water - in the winter things are at times not so
> good. I can't get ADSL because the distance to the exchange is too
> great and there are something like three loading coils on it. There
> are trees blocking wireless connections to a friends house in
> Hillcrest and a hill blocking wireless internet. Cellphone reception
> (especially vodafone) is poor and, like satellite, it is too
> expensive.

My brother lives in a subdivision that was built only a couple of years ago
in Albany (one of the fastest growing areas of Auckland), and yet they can't
get broadband there at all because Telescum haven't bothered to install the
necessary boxes. Instead he has to use a Vodafone mobile connection. :-\

Re: Broadband spend-up unnecessary?
 

In message <nqmdnRKDa_GIpD7UnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@giganews.com>, Allistar wrote:

> Surely replacing the local loop should be up to private companies that
> make a profit off that local loop?

Think of the local loop as being like the street outside your house. Is that
something that private enterprise could build and run?