Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

"BertS" <aasainz@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> I have a customer's machine that will not allow me to login. I get
the login

consider yourself lucky. on the other hand, are you sure the owner
didn't simply forget he had a password on there? most peecee users are
complete idiots, evidenced by their choice of system

> prompt, click on the icon (two accounts, Administrator and one more
that I
> don't know what privileges it has). When I click on the account icon
it starts
> to login and then immediately logs out back to the login prompt.

delete all the *.pwl files (damn wintendo's stupid filename extension
dependence!) - windoze has the security of an airplane being flown by
mohammed atta

> I need to access the machine to remove some data before I do a
system restore.
>
> The drive is formatted to NTFS. I tried to do a recovery from the XP
disk but

ughhh... another iteration in the ever increasingly stupid, bugridden,
nonstandard and dangerous microsoft "filesystems"

> it says the password for Administrator is no good. There should be
no
> password on either that account or the other one.

on the other hand, you should realize forthwith that the *real*
administrator is a drooling autistic sitting in a bunker in redmond
washington

> My guess with the little information I have is that the SAM is
somehow damaged.

as is the rest of the "operating system"

> A long time ago I used NTFS2DOS in a similar situation but I am not
sure if
> there is something similar for XP. I used it to access an NT4
machine.
>
> Dell suggested that the drive be sent to a company that does
recovery but the
> custmoer does not want to spend the money for that option.
>
> I could install the drive in a different machine running @in2K as
the second
> drive and try to read it that way. I could also have the customer
purchase a
> hard drive, install XP on that drive as the primary drive and try to
read the
> old drive after that.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there a newer version of
NTFS4DOS?
> Somewhere in my vast junkyard I have ERD but finding it is a problem
and I
> don't even know if it works with SP. My problem is finding the CD.

my suggestion would be to instruct your customer to dump DOS XP and
either run linsux or grow a brain and buy a mac

but wait, if they buy a mac, they won't need you anymore!

> The OS is XP Pro recently patched with SP2.

"recently patched".. haha. phrases like that keep folks like myself
far far away from junk like wintendo
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Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

Come on Solomon. Get real. Telling someone to switch to Linux is pretty
much useless. I use Linux every day and have a machine running RH Linux
sitting right next to me but I don't ever bother to tell a customer, or even
a friend that if they would just run Linux all their troubles would go away.
It just isn't true.
Linux is a GREAT server OS. None better. But it takes more work to use
than most Windoze users are willing, or able, to put in.
Grandma or Grandpa is the most likely person to call for help with their
computer. I've made more money from the senior set than anyone else and
Linux just isn't ready for them to use.
We all have to work in the real world. The world that Bill Gates runs. We
have to be able to fix problems with Windows machines or we won't have jobs.

AG
"Solomon Kozanski" <noneofyourdamnbusiness@localnet.com> wrote in message
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> "BertS" <aasainz@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:WbR3d.8278$mb6.3787@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > I have a customer's machine that will not allow me to login. I get
> the login
>
> consider yourself lucky. on the other hand, are you sure the owner
> didn't simply forget he had a password on there? most peecee users are
> complete idiots, evidenced by their choice of system
>
> > prompt, click on the icon (two accounts, Administrator and one more
> that I
> > don't know what privileges it has). When I click on the account icon
> it starts
> > to login and then immediately logs out back to the login prompt.
>
> delete all the *.pwl files (damn wintendo's stupid filename extension
> dependence!) - windoze has the security of an airplane being flown by
> mohammed atta
>
> > I need to access the machine to remove some data before I do a
> system restore.
> >
> > The drive is formatted to NTFS. I tried to do a recovery from the XP
> disk but
>
> ughhh... another iteration in the ever increasingly stupid, bugridden,
> nonstandard and dangerous microsoft "filesystems"
>
> > it says the password for Administrator is no good. There should be
> no
> > password on either that account or the other one.
>
> on the other hand, you should realize forthwith that the *real*
> administrator is a drooling autistic sitting in a bunker in redmond
> washington
>
> > My guess with the little information I have is that the SAM is
> somehow damaged.
>
> as is the rest of the "operating system"
>
> > A long time ago I used NTFS2DOS in a similar situation but I am not
> sure if
> > there is something similar for XP. I used it to access an NT4
> machine.
> >
> > Dell suggested that the drive be sent to a company that does
> recovery but the
> > custmoer does not want to spend the money for that option.
> >
> > I could install the drive in a different machine running @in2K as
> the second
> > drive and try to read it that way. I could also have the customer
> purchase a
> > hard drive, install XP on that drive as the primary drive and try to
> read the
> > old drive after that.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there a newer version of
> NTFS4DOS?
> > Somewhere in my vast junkyard I have ERD but finding it is a problem
> and I
> > don't even know if it works with SP. My problem is finding the CD.
>
> my suggestion would be to instruct your customer to dump DOS XP and
> either run linsux or grow a brain and buy a mac
>
> but wait, if they buy a mac, they won't need you anymore!
>
> > The OS is XP Pro recently patched with SP2.
>
> "recently patched".. haha. phrases like that keep folks like myself
> far far away from junk like wintendo
> --
> Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill
>

Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

"AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
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> Come on Solomon. Get real. Telling someone to switch to Linux is
pretty
> much useless. I use Linux every day and have a machine running RH
Linux
> sitting right next to me but I don't ever bother to tell a customer,
or even
> a friend that if they would just run Linux all their troubles would
go away.
> It just isn't true.
> Linux is a GREAT server OS. None better. But it takes more work to
use
> than most Windoze users are willing, or able, to put in.
> Grandma or Grandpa is the most likely person to call for help with
their
> computer. I've made more money from the senior set than anyone else
and
> Linux just isn't ready for them to use.
> We all have to work in the real world. The world that Bill Gates
runs. We
> have to be able to fix problems with Windows machines or we won't
have jobs.
>
> AG

and it goes without saying that you not once mentioned the versatile,
extremely powerful and very user friendly macintosh - but then macs
make "ayplus therteeffffried technithinth" unnecessary ;)
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Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

"Solomon Kozanski" <noneofyourdamnbusiness@localnet.com> wrote in message
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> "AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
> news:4151ef26$0$99879$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
> > Come on Solomon. Get real. Telling someone to switch to Linux is
> pretty
> > much useless. I use Linux every day and have a machine running RH
> Linux
> > sitting right next to me but I don't ever bother to tell a customer,
> or even
> > a friend that if they would just run Linux all their troubles would
> go away.
> > It just isn't true.
> > Linux is a GREAT server OS. None better. But it takes more work to
> use
> > than most Windoze users are willing, or able, to put in.
> > Grandma or Grandpa is the most likely person to call for help with
> their
> > computer. I've made more money from the senior set than anyone else
> and
> > Linux just isn't ready for them to use.
> > We all have to work in the real world. The world that Bill Gates
> runs. We
> > have to be able to fix problems with Windows machines or we won't
> have jobs.
> >
> > AG
>
> and it goes without saying that you not once mentioned the versatile,
> extremely powerful and very user friendly macintosh - but then macs
> make "ayplus therteeffffried technithinth" unnecessary ;)
> --
> Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill

I've never been able to afford a Mac so I have no experience with them other
than back in the days of OS7.
Macintosh computers are expensive. For what a Mac costs I can build two or
three computers and put Windoze on them. While software is available for
them, when there are ten or so that will do the job in a Windoze environment
there are 3 to none in the Mac environment.
When I'm home I like to play games. It just isn't as easy on the Mac to
find what I want as far as software. I like the idea that they are using a
Unix base in OS10. That will make things easier but still not easy.
I guess the main reason I don't use a Macintosh is the simple fact that I
can build a Windows computer for less than half what a Macintosh costs.
Also there is the fact that my customers all use Windoze computers. I have
to be ready to support them and it's easier to do if I'm familiar with where
things can and do go wrong with them.

Lets be frank. Windows problems make money for me. I've never made more
than $30 or so from a Mac, I sold an old one one time, and I've made tens of
thousands of dollars from Windows computers. If it weren't for Windows
computers many problems I wouldn't have but a part time job at the ISP that
I work at. My Linux administration duties usually take only a few minutes a
day, unless I have a project going. Most of my time, for which I get paid,
is spent trouble shooting people's internet problems. Those are mostly
Windoze problems.
So, for me at least, as long as Windoze computers have problems, I'll have a
job.
AG

Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

"AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Solomon Kozanski" <noneofyourdamnbusiness@localnet.com> wrote in
message
> news:10l5i59djpach43@corp.supernews.com...
> > "AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
> > news:4151ef26$0$99879$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
> > > Come on Solomon. Get real. Telling someone to switch to Linux
is
> > pretty
> > > much useless. I use Linux every day and have a machine running
RH
> > Linux
> > > sitting right next to me but I don't ever bother to tell a
customer,
> > or even
> > > a friend that if they would just run Linux all their troubles
would
> > go away.
> > > It just isn't true.
> > > Linux is a GREAT server OS. None better. But it takes more
work to
> > use
> > > than most Windoze users are willing, or able, to put in.
> > > Grandma or Grandpa is the most likely person to call for help
with
> > their
> > > computer. I've made more money from the senior set than anyone
else
> > and
> > > Linux just isn't ready for them to use.
> > > We all have to work in the real world. The world that Bill
Gates
> > runs. We
> > > have to be able to fix problems with Windows machines or we
won't
> > have jobs.
> > >
> > > AG
> >
> > and it goes without saying that you not once mentioned the
versatile,
> > extremely powerful and very user friendly macintosh - but then
macs
> > make "ayplus therteeffffried technithinth" unnecessary ;)
> > --
> > Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill
>
> I've never been able to afford a Mac so I have no experience with
them other
> than back in the days of OS7.
> Macintosh computers are expensive. For what a Mac costs I can build
two or
> three computers and put Windoze on them. While software is
available for
> them, when there are ten or so that will do the job in a Windoze
environment
> there are 3 to none in the Mac environment.

uh, actually, thanks to virtualPC, PC software is a subset of
macintosh software

> When I'm home I like to play games. It just isn't as easy on the
Mac to
> find what I want as far as software. I like the idea that they are
using a
> Unix base in OS10. That will make things easier but still not easy.
> I guess the main reason I don't use a Macintosh is the simple fact
that I
> can build a Windows computer for less than half what a Macintosh
costs.
> Also there is the fact that my customers all use Windoze computers.
I have
> to be ready to support them and it's easier to do if I'm familiar
with where
> things can and do go wrong with them.

but macs do have a substantially lower total cost of ownership, as you
detailed below

> Lets be frank. Windows problems make money for me. I've never made
more
> than $30 or so from a Mac, I sold an old one one time, and I've made
tens of
> thousands of dollars from Windows computers. If it weren't for
Windows
> computers many problems I wouldn't have but a part time job at the
ISP that
> I work at. My Linux administration duties usually take only a few
minutes a
> day, unless I have a project going. Most of my time, for which I
get paid,
> is spent trouble shooting people's internet problems. Those are
mostly
> Windoze problems.
> So, for me at least, as long as Windoze computers have problems,
I'll have a
> job.
> AG

finally, somebody with a sense of reality. you've beaten me at my own
game.

i commend you for your honesty. you have certainly earned my respect!
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Re: Can't login to XP Pro machine
 

"Solomon Kozanski" <noneofyourdamnbusiness@localnet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
> news:4152ec22$0$99886$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
> >
> > "Solomon Kozanski" <noneofyourdamnbusiness@localnet.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:10l5i59djpach43@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "AG" <atenor@email.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4151ef26$0$99879$4c5eba9e@news.getnet.net...
> > > > Come on Solomon. Get real. Telling someone to switch to Linux
> is
> > > pretty
> > > > much useless. I use Linux every day and have a machine running
> RH
> > > Linux
> > > > sitting right next to me but I don't ever bother to tell a
> customer,
> > > or even
> > > > a friend that if they would just run Linux all their troubles
> would
> > > go away.
> > > > It just isn't true.
> > > > Linux is a GREAT server OS. None better. But it takes more
> work to
> > > use
> > > > than most Windoze users are willing, or able, to put in.
> > > > Grandma or Grandpa is the most likely person to call for help
> with
> > > their
> > > > computer. I've made more money from the senior set than anyone
> else
> > > and
> > > > Linux just isn't ready for them to use.
> > > > We all have to work in the real world. The world that Bill
> Gates
> > > runs. We
> > > > have to be able to fix problems with Windows machines or we
> won't
> > > have jobs.
> > > >
> > > > AG
> > >
> > > and it goes without saying that you not once mentioned the
> versatile,
> > > extremely powerful and very user friendly macintosh - but then
> macs
> > > make "ayplus therteeffffried technithinth" unnecessary ;)
> > > --
> > > Brought to you courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill
> >
> > I've never been able to afford a Mac so I have no experience with
> them other
> > than back in the days of OS7.
> > Macintosh computers are expensive. For what a Mac costs I can build
> two or
> > three computers and put Windoze on them. While software is
> available for
> > them, when there are ten or so that will do the job in a Windoze
> environment
> > there are 3 to none in the Mac environment.
>
> uh, actually, thanks to virtualPC, PC software is a subset of
> macintosh software
>
> > When I'm home I like to play games. It just isn't as easy on the
> Mac to
> > find what I want as far as software. I like the idea that they are
> using a
> > Unix base in OS10. That will make things easier but still not easy.
> > I guess the main reason I don't use a Macintosh is the simple fact
> that I
> > can build a Windows computer for less than half what a Macintosh
> costs.
> > Also there is the fact that my customers all use Windoze computers.
> I have
> > to be ready to support them and it's easier to do if I'm familiar
> with where
> > things can and do go wrong with them.
>
> but macs do have a substantially lower total cost of ownership, as you
> detailed below
>
> > Lets be frank. Windows problems make money for me. I've never made
> more
> > than $30 or so from a Mac, I sold an old one one time, and I've made
> tens of
> > thousands of dollars from Windows computers. If it weren't for
> Windows
> > computers many problems I wouldn't have but a part time job at the
> ISP that
> > I work at. My Linux administration duties usually take only a few
> minutes a
> > day, unless I have a project going. Most of my time, for which I
> get paid,
> > is spent trouble shooting people's internet problems. Those are
> mostly
> > Windoze problems.
> > So, for me at least, as long as Windoze computers have problems,
> I'll have a
> > job.
> > AG
>
> finally, somebody with a sense of reality. you've beaten me at my own
> game.
>
> i commend you for your honesty. you have certainly earned my respect!
> --

Your own game... what a scmuck.... anybody in here who fixes PC's knows
that their bread is buttered by Monkeysoft's inept swiss cheese software.
Everytime they come out with a new product or a virus threat I see $$$$$.

Why would anyone bother learning Windows server environment, when anybody
who knows would go Linux.... Because that's where the money is... not for
setting the
junk up, but keeping it running....

Just like an auto mechanic..... If you build it so well, that it doesn't
break, no one would bother
to learn how to fix them...


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