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Alan 12-19-2007 08:47 AM

TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
Hi All,

I had this vehicle on my watch list:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627

The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it was
sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor offering to
sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member, and the offer
are on the top section:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif

Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage is
on there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how can
this be?

Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up the
price right at the end?

Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?

Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the
course'?

Thanks,
--

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EMB 12-19-2007 09:36 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
Alan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I had this vehicle on my watch list:
>
> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627
>
> The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it was
> sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor offering to
> sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member, and the offer
> are on the top section:
>
> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif
>
> Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage is
> on there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how can
> this be?
>
> Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up the
> price right at the end?
>
> Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?
>
> Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the
> course'?


I reckon it's legit - just some asshole who has decided not to go ahead
with the purchase. It looks like Senate Finance is the seller - why not
call them and ask what the story is.

Cadae 12-19-2007 09:38 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 

"Alan" <alan@alan.alan> wrote in message news:fkambo$3ti$1@aioe.org...
> Hi All,
>
> I had this vehicle on my watch list:
>
> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627
>
> The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it was
> sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor offering to
> sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member, and the offer are on
> the top section:
>
> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif
>
> Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage is on
> there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how can this be?
>
> Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up the price
> right at the end?
>
> Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?
>
> Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the course'?
>
> Thanks,
> --
>
> Alan.


It does look like a shill bidding scam - that Guest01 bidder is newly
created, with no address verification. Then again, it could be legitimate -
Guest01 could be someone who just wanted that vehicle and has never used
Trademe before, and the seller might not trust the bid as Guest01 has no
trading history.

Try putting your question to the Scambusters forum at
http://scambusters.co.nz
They specialise in identifying and shutting down Trademe scams, including
shill bidding. If you're concerned about being identified in the forum, use
a different pseudonym to register on scambusters - most users do.


PC


BTMO 12-19-2007 09:46 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 

"Alan" <> wrote

> Hi All,
>
> I had this vehicle on my watch list:
>
> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627
>
> The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it was
> sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor offering to
> sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member, and the offer are on
> the top section:
>
> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif
>
> Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage is on
> there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how can this be?


Possibly the person who won the auction reneged right at the end. You get
jackasses who do this.

Was your bid higher or lower than $9,500? If higher, go for it. If lower,
and more than you wanted to spend, let it pass.

Coincidentally, I just bought a car on trademe as well. It was also a 2001
model in very good nick - but was several k cheaper than that!

I got a hell of a deal...

:-)

> Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up the price
> right at the end?


Yep, sounds like a jackass.

> Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?


No, it isn't. Winning an auction carries legal obligations. However, a
number of people don't seem to understand this, or "just for a giggle" make
idiotic bids that they have no intention on following through with. This
could be one of these people.
>
> Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the course'?


If you feel aggreived, at least tell them what happened. I really feel
though that you are simply the victim of a moron.

Cheers,

Brenton



Bruce Sinclair 12-20-2007 12:13 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
In article <4768e8b0@clear.net.nz>, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote:
(snip)

>If you feel aggreived, at least tell them what happened. I really feel
>though that you are simply the victim of a moron.


Is there really a "victim" here ? It's an offer. No one has to accept it.
I admit I usually put in my top bid. If it goes higher I don't win,
don't want it and am still happy. :)

Yes it could be "own bids" ... their problem, not ours. :)


Alan 12-20-2007 12:24 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
You're probably right - Not worth worrying about.

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"EMB" <embtwo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4768f23a$1@news01.wxnz.net...
> Alan wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I had this vehicle on my watch list:
>>
>> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627
>>
>> The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it
>> was sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor
>> offering to sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member,
>> and the offer are on the top section:
>>
>> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif
>>
>> Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage
>> is on there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how
>> can this be?
>>
>> Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up
>> the price right at the end?
>>
>> Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?
>>
>> Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the
>> course'?

>
> I reckon it's legit - just some asshole who has decided not to go
> ahead with the purchase. It looks like Senate Finance is the
> seller - why not call them and ask what the story is.




Alan 12-20-2007 12:25 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
I'll have a look at that site, but if Guest01 was just registered to
muck about then what could they do?

--

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"Cadae" <notme@spamhole.con> wrote in message
news:4768e67d$1@clear.net.nz...
>
> "Alan" <alan@alan.alan> wrote in message
> news:fkambo$3ti$1@aioe.org...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I had this vehicle on my watch list:
>>
>> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=131388627
>>
>> The auction had a reserve of $1 and the final bid was $9,950 so it
>> was sold. I then received a fixed price offer from the vendor
>> offering to sell it for $9,500 - both the sale to another member,
>> and the offer are on the top section:
>>
>> http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...owselisyq1.tif
>>
>> Given that this is one specific vehicle (the rego and exact mileage
>> is on there so it can't be 10 identical imports for example), how
>> can this be?
>>
>> Also, look at the bidding - is it suspicious that Guest01 bid up
>> the price right at the end?
>>
>> Is this in line with acceptable practice or am I just being naive?
>>
>> Ultimately, should I complain to TM or is this just 'par for the
>> course'?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>>
>> Alan.

>
> It does look like a shill bidding scam - that Guest01 bidder is
> newly created, with no address verification. Then again, it could be
> legitimate - Guest01 could be someone who just wanted that vehicle
> and has never used Trademe before, and the seller might not trust
> the bid as Guest01 has no trading history.
>
> Try putting your question to the Scambusters forum at
> http://scambusters.co.nz
> They specialise in identifying and shutting down Trademe scams,
> including shill bidding. If you're concerned about being identified
> in the forum, use a different pseudonym to register on scambusters -
> most users do.
>
>
> PC
>




Alan 12-20-2007 12:25 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
I haven't lost anything (except perhaps time), so no victim as such.

--

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"Bruce Sinclair" <bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz >
wrote in message news:fkc8i8$fi$3@aioe.org...
> In article <4768e8b0@clear.net.nz>, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote:
> (snip)
>
>>If you feel aggreived, at least tell them what happened. I really
>>feel
>>though that you are simply the victim of a moron.

>
> Is there really a "victim" here ? It's an offer. No one has to
> accept it.
> I admit I usually put in my top bid. If it goes higher I don't win,
> don't want it and am still happy. :)
>
> Yes it could be "own bids" ... their problem, not ours. :)
>




BTMO 12-20-2007 03:50 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 

"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote

>>If you feel aggreived, at least tell them what happened. I really feel
>>though that you are simply the victim of a moron.

>
> Is there really a "victim" here ? It's an offer. No one has to accept it.
> I admit I usually put in my top bid. If it goes higher I don't win,
> don't want it and am still happy. :)


If the vendor is doing it, then it would be a breach of the terms of
trademe.

And I do seem to recall hearing about some real estate ages who were done
for putting in false bids (via colleagues) to increase their own
commissions. I *think* that counts as fraud...

> Yes it could be "own bids" ... their problem, not ours. :)


And not very fair for the people bidding in good faith, of course...



Bruce Sinclair 12-20-2007 05:30 AM

Re: TradeMe - Item sold, but still offered at fixed price - How??
 
In article <4769e6a9$1@clear.net.nz>, "BTMO" <btmo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Bruce Sinclair" <> wrote
>
>>>If you feel aggreived, at least tell them what happened. I really feel
>>>though that you are simply the victim of a moron.

>>
>> Is there really a "victim" here ? It's an offer. No one has to accept it.
>> I admit I usually put in my top bid. If it goes higher I don't win,
>> don't want it and am still happy. :)

>
>If the vendor is doing it, then it would be a breach of the terms of
>trademe.
>
>And I do seem to recall hearing about some real estate ages who were done
>for putting in false bids (via colleagues) to increase their own
>commissions. I *think* that counts as fraud...


Almost certainly ? ... I think that if it's done in full knowledge (ie the
auctioneer says at the start something like 'the vendor may be bidding' then
it's "OK". Ethical ? ... I don't think so ... but hey ... it's reall estate
:)

>> Yes it could be "own bids" ... their problem, not ours. :)

>
>And not very fair for the people bidding in good faith, of course...


Agreed. But if people only bid what they are prepared to pay and never
accept 'fixed price offers', then no harm. :)






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