New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine..._google01.html

"" Microsoft insists it has no intention of deploying its browser as a
weapon in the search wars. ""

Have A Nice Cup of Tea

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Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.comp, a person by the name of
Have A Nice Cup of Tea exclaimed:
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine..._google01.html
>
> "" Microsoft insists it has no intention of deploying its browser as a
> weapon in the search wars. ""

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Microsoft using their monopoly on desktop and browser to expand into
other markets? It seems almost inconceivable.

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opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke

Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

Hello Have A Nice Cup of Tea,

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/04/30/587373.aspx

just one of the guys on the IE team - so i guess he knows what actually happens
.....


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Steven H

the madGeek

> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine..._google01.html
>
> "" Microsoft insists it has no intention of deploying its browser as a
> weapon in the search wars. ""
>
> Have A Nice Cup of Tea
>

Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

Steven H wrote:
> Hello Have A Nice Cup of Tea,
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/04/30/587373.aspx
>
> just one of the guys on the IE team - so i guess he knows what actually happens
> ....

Exactly, IE7 supports OpenSearch

Another opinion:

http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/...ry06050105.htm

"Pot. Kettle. Black. That's a snarkified distillation of hypocrisy that
I lifted from one of my waggish colleagues, and today it applies
brilliantly to Google.

This morning, a New York Times story details Big Goo's new efforts to
try to hit Microsoft with the ol' political hammer, by squealing to
U.S. and European officials about an alleged anticompetitive threat. At
issue is the new version of Internet Explorer, which Google maintains
is unfair because it uses a Microsoft web search as the default option.

This would probably surprise anyone who's used the browser. In fact,
Microsoft adopts a feature long available in alternative browsers, one
that makes it dead simple for users to keep a variety of their favorite
search engines close at hand. The result is one-click access to
searches from competitors such as Google,... It's just as simple to
make a non-Microsoft engine the default, although the article notes
that Google believes the 4-click process is too difficult for users.

Browser wars: a new hope

If that sounds as silly to you as it does to me, how about the
hypocrisy of Google's promotion of its pet browser, Firefox? Last week,
Google took the drastic step of advertising the alternate browser right
on its hallowed front page. When I ran my copy of Firefox for the first
time, the default page provided a Google search, and Firefox also
features a little upper-right-hand search bar with options for
alternate search providers. The default search, of course, was Big
Goo's.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Let's review a few facts. The Microsoft threat isn't even on the
streets yet. It's still in beta. Moreover, the company crying for Uncle
Sam to help it out isn't some tiny upstart fighting the big bad wolf.
It's a multibillion-dollar enterprise that is far and away the leader
in Internet search, with close to a 50% share to Mr. Softy's puny 10%.
Big Goo's success -- and it's Microsoft-ish habit of horning in on
other firms' moneymaking rackets -- seem to have morphed it from "don't
be evil" media darlings into the new Silicon Valley monster boy,
starting rumors that the mighty are looking to band together to fend
off the threat."

Cheers
Nathan


> ----------------
> Steven H
>
> the madGeek
>
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine..._google01.html
> >
> > "" Microsoft insists it has no intention of deploying its browser as a
> > weapon in the search wars. ""
> >
> > Have A Nice Cup of Tea
> >

Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:12:54 -0700, Nathan Mercer wrote:

> Exactly, IE7 supports OpenSearch

Ah - the Nathanbot contradicts.

Micro$oft could, if it wanted to (which it clearly doesn't) set up the
"search" functionality to ask users to choose which search engine they
want to use - with no default setting pre-chosen.

That way M$ really could say it is not using its monopoly to steer the
sheep/M$-users towardsd M$N.


Have A Nice Cup of Tea

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Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:

> On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:12:54 -0700, Nathan Mercer wrote:
>
> > Exactly, IE7 supports OpenSearch
>
> Ah - the Nathanbot contradicts.
>
> Micro$oft could, if it wanted to (which it clearly doesn't) set up the
> "search" functionality to ask users to choose which search engine they
> want to use - with no default setting pre-chosen.

Did you read the blogs post?
MSN is NOT the default, here is no default built into IE7. IE7`
respects the users previous IE autosearch setting

"We thought the best way for IE7 to do what the user wants is to honor
the user's autosearch setting from IE6. This setting is
well-documented and has been in use for many years. It is a good
indicator of user intent. While some sources claim that this setting
favors MSN, the data we saw from independent research companies like
comScore indicates that almost three-quarters of the autosearch queries
went to search providers like AOL, Google, and Yahoo, not MSN.
Independently, representatives of Yahoo! suggested using the user's
IE6 autosearch setting. Additionally, I've seen a lot of pleasant
surprise from users in comments on the IEBlog, Digg, and even Slashdot
that the search box in IE7 actually reflects their individual search
provider of choice, further validating this decision."

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/10/529950.aspx

Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

On Tue, 02 May 2006 03:10:17 -0700, Nathan Mercer wrote:

> It is a good
> indicator of user intent.

User is intent on what?

Don't you mean "It explicitly states the user's preference"? rather than a
mere "indicator"?

Micro$oft brown-nosers often have a very poor grasp of the syntax of
English.


Have A Nice Cup of Tea

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Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

Hi Nathan,

On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.comp, a person by the name of
Nathan Mercer exclaimed:
> MSN is NOT the default, here is no default built into IE7. IE7`
> respects the users previous IE autosearch setting

Yes, but in 90% of cases that is already MSN search. Not by choice, but
because that was the default loaded with IE6.

It's a bit of semantics really: "we're no longer favouring any search
provider. But oh, the default is copied over from the days when we did."

Cheers

Aaron


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Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

Aaron Lawrence wrote:

> On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.comp, a person by the name of
> Nathan Mercer exclaimed:
> > MSN is NOT the default, here is no default built into IE7. IE7`
> > respects the users previous IE autosearch setting
>
> Yes, but in 90% of cases that is already MSN search. Not by choice, but
> because that was the default loaded with IE6.

I'm not sure where the 90% figure comes from. Again from the IE Team
blog post:

"While some sources claim that this setting favors MSN, the data we saw
from independent research companies like comScore
http://www.comscore.com/ indicates that almost three-quarters of the
autosearch queries went to search providers like AOL, Google, and
Yahoo, not MSN. Independently, representatives of Yahoo! suggested
using the user's IE6 autosearch setting."

> It's a bit of semantics really: "we're no longer favouring any search
> provider. But oh, the default is copied over from the days when we did."

Most OEM installs of Windows have had their autosearch setting
modified, the search engines have paid the PC manufacturers for the
user eyeballs and default.

Cheers
Nathan

Re: New M$ browser sends search queries to MSN - Google objects
 

In article <1146613983.554320.194420@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups .com>,
"Nathan Mercer" <nmercer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Most OEM installs of Windows have had their autosearch setting
>modified, the search engines have paid the PC manufacturers for the
>user eyeballs and default.

At first glance it doesn't make sense, paying to make your portal the
default when you could have done it in the shipped code for free.
How is it paid for - an actual cash payment, or another variation on
the "discount for doing it our way" pricing for OEMs?

(Yes, I understood what you said perfectly. It was very well phrased.)

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