Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
malware.

What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
grant the depth of attention by the security software.

Comments?

-Ramon F Herrera

Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

On Mar 2, 12:20 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
> I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
> very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
> capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
> above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
> inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
> malware.
>
> What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> Comments?
>
> -Ramon F Herrera

Looking at the data sheets, it just looks like it uses typical trend
micro stuff to look for malware. If they can point to something that
specifically mentions Oracle, let us know.

Most of us don't even use port 1521 anymore.

Be afraid:
http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/6N00D1FEKE.html
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/...806e9b6f.shtml

Hey, maybe that means they do know what to look for!

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Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

On Mar 2, 3:20 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
> I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
> very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
> capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
> above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
> inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
> malware.
>
> What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> Comments?
>
> -Ramon F Herrera

Why don't you test it out?

That starts by constructing a test case and determine how this device
allows/prevents/alerts ...

Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

On Mar 2, 5:29 pm, "joel garry" <joel-ga...@home.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 12:20 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
> > very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
> > capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
> > above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
> > inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
> > malware.
>
> > What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> > some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> > are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> > guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> > ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> > weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> > to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> > Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> > grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> > Comments?
>
> > -Ramon F Herrera
>
> Looking at the data sheets, it just looks like it uses typical trend
> micro stuff to look for malware. If they can point to something that
> specifically mentions Oracle, let us know.
>
> Most of us don't even use port 1521 anymore.
>

Please clarify. Are you claiming that most folks are simply using
another port different from 1521 in hopes of confusing the attackers
(due respect, but that would be a rather poor defense) or are they
using a non-TCP mechanism to communicate with the server?

-Ramon

Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

On Mar 2, 6:42 pm, "hpuxrac" <johnbhur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 3:20 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
> > very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
> > capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
> > above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
> > inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
> > malware.
>
> > What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> > some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> > are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> > guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> > ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> > weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> > to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> > Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> > grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> > Comments?
>
> > -Ramon F Herrera
>
> Why don't you test it out?
>
> That starts by constructing a test case and determine how this device
> allows/prevents/alerts ...

I would have to open port 1521 in my firewall to see if I can
compromise it remotely. Then try to break into my Linux machines, and
similarly for the Macs. I simply don't have the resources. It would be
so much simple if Cisco published it explicitly: "all the anti-malware
tools we have is for Microsoft products".

-Ramon

Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

On Mar 2, 4:49 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 5:29 pm, "joel garry" <joel-ga...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 2, 12:20 pm, "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> > > I recently installed my first Cisco ASA-5500 security box. It is a
> > > very impressive piece of equipment, with a bewildering array of
> > > capabilities. The feature that find most intriguing is that it goes
> > > above (in the ISO/OSI sense) the IP, TCP and UDP layers, presumably
> > > inspecting whether a message or packet contains a virus or other
> > > malware.
>
> > > What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> > > some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> > > are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> > > guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> > > ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> > > weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> > > to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> > > Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> > > grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> > > Comments?
>
> > > -Ramon F Herrera
>
> > Looking at the data sheets, it just looks like it uses typical trend
> > micro stuff to look for malware. If they can point to something that
> > specifically mentions Oracle, let us know.
>
> > Most of us don't even use port 1521 anymore.
>
> Please clarify. Are you claiming that most folks are simply using
> another port different from 1521 in hopes of confusing the attackers
> (due respect, but that would be a rather poor defense) or are they
> using a non-TCP mechanism to communicate with the server?
>
> -Ramon

Search metalink and Oracle security related sites for the minimum
necessary hardening. The proof of concept worm that was floating
about not long ago got everyone in a tizzy about changing 1521. See
http://www.dizwell.com/prod/node/374

petefinnegan.com pointed to this: http://www.sans.org/score/oraclechecklist.php

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Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports. Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

I believe ASA is extremely limited right now and also requires a firmware
update to improve its detection. I seem to recall it has about 30
application layer checks versus Juniper's 100 application layer checks and
versus Check Point's 1,700 application layer checks. I'm more familar with
CP and it definitely knows about different exploits for many vendors
products.

Ray


> What I would like to clarify, because is a matter of dispute among
> some colleagues, is exactly what applications and operating systems
> are being inspected. My buddies claim (more like a wild or hopeful
> guess) that not only is port 1521 of an Oracle server blocked but the
> ASA knows about Oracle exploits, and similarly it can check for
> weaknesses on behalf of Linux or other Unixes. I find that very hard
> to believe, and my counterclaim is that only Windows or other
> Microsoft products have reached a level of disseminated infections to
> grant the depth of attention by the security software.
>
> Comments?
>
> -Ramon F Herrera
>

Re: Cisco Adaptive Security Appliance goes beyond blocking ports.Is that a Microsoft-only defense?
 

Ramon F Herrera wrote:

> I would have to open port 1521 in my firewall to see if I can
> compromise it remotely. Then try to break into my Linux machines, and
> similarly for the Macs. I simply don't have the resources. It would be
> so much simple if Cisco published it explicitly: "all the anti-malware
> tools we have is for Microsoft products".
>
> -Ramon

Perhaps instead of talking to Cisco you should talk to F5 Networks.
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