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John A. Bailo 05-22-2006 04:03 PM

Wicked Cool Java
 

Just bought the book "Wicked Cool Java".

It's great!

It skips all the plodding step by step stuff and just talks about the
cutting edge cool things you can do with java.

http://www.wickedcooljava.com/


TechBookReport 05-22-2006 04:07 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
John A. Bailo wrote:
>
> Just bought the book "Wicked Cool Java".
>
> It's great!
>
> It skips all the plodding step by step stuff and just talks about the
> cutting edge cool things you can do with java.
>
> http://www.wickedcooljava.com/
>

Reviewed: http://www.techbookreport.com/tbr0230.html

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Rhino 05-22-2006 05:04 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 

"TechBookReport" <tbr@nospam.nos> wrote in message
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> John A. Bailo wrote:
>>
>> Just bought the book "Wicked Cool Java".
>>
>> It's great!
>>
>> It skips all the plodding step by step stuff and just talks about the
>> cutting edge cool things you can do with java.
>>
>> http://www.wickedcooljava.com/
>>

> Reviewed: http://www.techbookreport.com/tbr0230.html
>
> --
> TechBookReport Java http://www.techbookreport.com/JavaIndex.html
>


I might be more inclined to take this review seriously if the name of the
reviewer was supplied and if the competency of the reviewer was stated. In
other words, the review doesn't indicate even the name of the reviewer, let
alone the Java skills he/she possesses.

Without that information, I have no reason to take this review any more
seriously than a review written by a beginner or hype from the publisher.
There are several people on this newsgroup who have, in my opinion,
demonstrated a wide understanding of Java programming and/or OO design. Why
not get some of them to review the books on your site? I'd be more inclined
to take a book review seriously if it was written by Oliver Wong or Chris
Uppal, for example, than I am by an anonymous review.

--
Rhino



John A. Bailo 05-22-2006 05:49 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
Rhino wrote:

> There are several people on this newsgroup who have, in my opinion,
> demonstrated a wide understanding of Java programming and/or OO design. Why
> not get some of them to review the books on your site?


I'm not sure if that's the right approach.

The neat thing about Wicked Cool Java (http://www.wickedcooljava.com) is
that it's an /advanced/ book for *beginners*.

It's for people like me who want a minimal amount of formalism, but yet
want to jump right into the really cool features of a product or language.

It's not "for dummies", and it's not "for pedagogues" either.

jmcgill 05-22-2006 05:58 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
John A. Bailo wrote:
> It's for people like me who want a minimal amount of formalism, but yet
> want to jump right into the really cool features of a product or language.\


I'll be sure and flip through it next time I'm at the book store.

If the New England accent comes through too much beyond the title,
I'll laugh and move on.

Chapter 7 sounds interesting. How deep does it go?

John A. Bailo 05-22-2006 06:42 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
jmcgill wrote:

> Chapter 7 sounds interesting. How deep does it go?


It's hardcore in that it covers a lot of ground.

Music
Synthesized Sound
JMusic
Java Speech
RealTime APIs
Thread Syncs


This is more a book to kind of jar the brain and say "look, look at all
this stuff that java can do". Then, if one or the other thing really
catches your interest, it's up to you to drill down or use the website
to get more.

However, if this is your area of expertise, I would say, that you would
find it not that interesting -- BUT, you may read another chapter and
figure out how to mash up AI and Multimedia together!

Rhino 05-22-2006 08:03 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 

"John A. Bailo" <jabailo@texeme.com> wrote in message
news:VYidnU3FWYIOZOzZ4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
> Rhino wrote:
>
>> There are several people on this newsgroup who have, in my opinion,
>> demonstrated a wide understanding of Java programming and/or OO design.
>> Why not get some of them to review the books on your site?

>
> I'm not sure if that's the right approach.
>
> The neat thing about Wicked Cool Java (http://www.wickedcooljava.com) is
> that it's an /advanced/ book for *beginners*.
>
> It's for people like me who want a minimal amount of formalism, but yet
> want to jump right into the really cool features of a product or language.
>
> It's not "for dummies", and it's not "for pedagogues" either.


You're missing my point. I'm delighted to hear that _you_ find the book
useful.

I was taking issue with the book review on _TechBookReports.com_ and saying
that the review didn't impress me because it didn't identify the reviewer,
nor did it identify the Java skills of the developer.

If the reviewer is anonymous because he/she is a Java newbie or because
he/she is an employee of the publisher, I'm inclined to dismiss the review
entirely. I think I've seen your name on this newsgroup before but not
enough for me to get a lasting impression of you so your recommendation
doesn't particularly wow me either - no offense!

I'd be a lot more impressed if the person reviewing it was someone I knew to
be unconnected with the publisher and thoroughly competent in Java. I
suggested some people on this newsgroup whose approval of the book would
make me a lot more likely to get this book than the word of an anonymous
reviewer.

Again, I'm not criticizing the book since I've never laid eyes on it and I
mean no disrespect to you either since I don't know you.

--
Rhino





steve 05-22-2006 09:06 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
On Tue, 23 May 2006 02:42:20 +0800, John A. Bailo wrote
(in article <4472060C.8010405@texeme.com>):

> jmcgill wrote:
>
>> Chapter 7 sounds interesting. How deep does it go?

>
> It's hardcore in that it covers a lot of ground.
>

A chetah covers a lot of ground, but there's nothing "hard" about a chetah.

> Music
> Synthesized Sound
> JMusic
> Java Speech
> RealTime APIs
> Thread Syncs
>
>
> This is more a book to kind of jar the brain and say "look, look at all
> this stuff that java can do". Then, if one or the other thing really
> catches your interest, it's up to you to drill down or use the website
> to get more.
>
> However, if this is your area of expertise, I would say, that you would
> find it not that interesting -- BUT, you may read another chapter and
> figure out how to mash up AI and Multimedia together!


so does it do THE real cool stuff like:

Serial communication RS232
USB implementation

or just the "gay" cool stuff like music, that you can implement in 5 lines of
java?

Steve




John A. Bailo 05-22-2006 10:40 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
steve wrote:

> so does it do THE real cool stuff like:
>
> Serial communication RS232
> USB implementation


I don't see either of those in the index.

What do you mean by USB music?

One thing I've always wanted is do be able to pipe my Sandisk m200
player's music via a USB cable to a sound card and out the computer's
speakers.

Is that possible?


> or just...stuff...that you can implement in 5 lines of code


Dude. Don't you know?

The coolest things are always implemented in 5 lines of code.

John A. Bailo 05-22-2006 10:42 PM

Re: Wicked Cool Java
 
Rhino wrote:

> I was taking issue with the book review on _TechBookReports.com_ and saying
> that the review didn't impress me because it didn't identify the reviewer,
> nor did it identify the Java skills of the developer.
>
> If the reviewer is anonymous because he/she is a Java newbie or because
> he/she is an employee of the publisher, I'm inclined to dismiss the review
> entirely. I think I've seen your name on this newsgroup before but not
> enough for me to get a lasting impression of you so your recommendation
> doesn't particularly wow me either - no offense!


[...]

> Again, I'm not criticizing the book since I've never laid eyes on it and I
> mean no disrespect to you either since I don't know you.


You seem hung up on /knowing/ people.

You should explore anonymity more.


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