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Thomas Frost 12-16-2003 02:10 PM

How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
The EOS300d is a good but ambivalently camera as it has a - for dSLR - very
low price, but extremly limitations too, that are discussed here a lot,
especially with the users of the competing and much better featured A1.

As I am interested in buying a EOS300d, my question is now how you, the
EOS300d users, deal with these bad limitations like the non adjustable flash
intensity, the inability to use the AF mode you want or need and the mega
awful missing of user configurations which spoils this actually good camera
mostly. Do you found any useful work-arounds to make these worse things a
little better?



Jean-Marc V. Liotier 12-16-2003 02:23 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:10:07 +0100, Thomas Frost wrote:
>
> the non adjustable flash intensity


Two ways :
- Use a flash that has flash exposure compensation built in. The Canon
Speedlite 550EX has that.
- Tinker with exposure compensation.

> the inability to use the AF mode you want or need


I have not found that to be much of a limitation.

From http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/prin...eos300d&page=6

"There has been much musing on our discussion forums about the
implications of the AF mode being locked to AI Focus for the majority of
the 'creative' exposure modes. I can honestly say that with careful use it
is not an issue for 95% of everyday amateur photography. In a still
shooting situation AI Focus appears to use One Shot AF initially, and thus
there is no delay or difference in focus speed. Once AF is locked AI Focus
monitors the scene and will only break to AI Servo mode if it detects
movement (towards or away from the camera*) at the focus point and exact
focus distance (thus it is not fooled by panning, background movement or
movement in front of the focus distance such as people walking across your
path)."

Jim Townsend 12-16-2003 03:22 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
Thomas Frost wrote:

> The EOS300d is a good but ambivalently camera as it has a - for dSLR - very
> low price, but extremly limitations too, that are discussed here a lot,
> especially with the users of the competing and much better featured A1.
>
> As I am interested in buying a EOS300d, my question is now how you, the
> EOS300d users, deal with these bad limitations like the non adjustable flash
> intensity, the inability to use the AF mode you want or need and the mega
> awful missing of user configurations which spoils this actually good camera
> mostly. Do you found any useful work-arounds to make these worse things a
> little better?


Oh please....

And how do they manage without a weatherproof body, or the inability to shoot
10 frames per second, or how do the do anything with less than 10 Megapixels ?

The 300D is an entry level DSLR.. Flash compensation and AI servo are nice to
have, but not absolutely necessary. I'd be willing to bet most 300D users
don't miss these things are, or even care what they are.

The camera takes great pictures and provides very fast autofocus and low noise
pictures at high ISO.

Not everyone needs these things.. If you do *need* these things, get a 10D or a
Nikon D100..



Marc Libom 12-16-2003 04:00 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
> Oh please....
>
> And how do they manage without a weatherproof body, or the inability to

shoot
> 10 frames per second, or how do the do anything with less than 10

Megapixels ?
>
> The 300D is an entry level DSLR.. Flash compensation and AI servo are

nice to
> have, but not absolutely necessary. I'd be willing to bet most 300D users
> don't miss these things are, or even care what they are.
>
> The camera takes great pictures and provides very fast autofocus and low

noise
> pictures at high ISO.
>
> Not everyone needs these things.. If you do *need* these things, get a 10D

or a
> Nikon D100..


Sorry Jim, but that's the arrogance, the interested group doesn't need.
Thomas was asking a simple question which are absolutely comprehensible. As
competitors (although you will never a A1 as competitor) has all these
features and no limitations for a lower price.

Thomas was just asking simple question. The EOS users should give him honest
answers and shouldn't tell him, what he has to need, only the EOS has big
deficits.






Marc Libom 12-16-2003 04:02 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
> Two ways :
> - Use a flash that has flash exposure compensation built in. The Canon
> Speedlite 550EX has that.


Sorry, I thought an integrated flash should act as a simple replacement for
an expensive accessory, that of course has this features. It's definitely
hard to understand, why Canon cut this feature and made the flash almost
senseless.



Juan R. Pollo 12-16-2003 04:18 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 

"Marc Libom" <libom@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:brna77$to6$06$1@news.t-online.com...
>
> Sorry Jim, but that's the arrogance, the interested group doesn't need.
> Thomas was asking a simple question which are absolutely comprehensible.

As
> competitors (although you will never a A1 as competitor) has all these
> features and no limitations for a lower price.
>
> Thomas was just asking simple question. The EOS users should give him

honest
> answers and shouldn't tell him, what he has to need, only the EOS has big
> deficits.
>


I see whose camp you're not from ;-)

Now, if you could provide some better alternatives to the Rebel for the same
price, we'd be all set. TIA.

Juan


Michael 12-16-2003 04:21 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
I may be a novice here, but I bought the Digital Rebel for it's entry level
position in the SLR market. If you are a renown photographer, why in the
hell would you be looking at this model? Whip out the wallet man and buy the
10d. Don't be cheap!

"Thomas Frost" <t.frost@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fdf1240$0$280$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> The EOS300d is a good but ambivalently camera as it has a - for dSLR -

very
> low price, but extremly limitations too, that are discussed here a lot,
> especially with the users of the competing and much better featured A1.
>
> As I am interested in buying a EOS300d, my question is now how you, the
> EOS300d users, deal with these bad limitations like the non adjustable

flash
> intensity, the inability to use the AF mode you want or need and the mega
> awful missing of user configurations which spoils this actually good

camera
> mostly. Do you found any useful work-arounds to make these worse things a
> little better?
>
>





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Dave Oddie 12-16-2003 04:40 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:22:13 -0600, Jim Townsend <not@real.address> wrote:

>Oh please....
>
>And how do they manage without a weatherproof body, or the inability to shoot
>10 frames per second, or how do the do anything with less than 10 Megapixels ?
>
>The 300D is an entry level DSLR.. Flash compensation and AI servo are nice to
>have, but not absolutely necessary. I'd be willing to bet most 300D users
>don't miss these things are, or even care what they are.
>
>The camera takes great pictures and provides very fast autofocus and low noise
>pictures at high ISO.
>
>Not everyone needs these things.. If you do *need* these things, get a 10D or a
>Nikon D100..


Perhaps he does need these things and can't afford a 10D or D100?

His question:

>>Do you found any useful work-arounds to make these worse things a
>>little better?


Is hardly unreasonable and the answers to which might be of interest to others
so why the aggressive totally unhelpful almost defensive response?

He is not slagging the camera off but asking for how to get more out of it
which seems quite reasonable.

Unlike your response IMO.

If you don't know the answers, better not to post than post a lecture.

Dave


Jim Townsend 12-16-2003 06:23 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
Marc Libom wrote:


> Sorry Jim, but that's the arrogance, the interested group doesn't need.
> Thomas was asking a simple question which are absolutely comprehensible. As
> competitors (although you will never a A1 as competitor) has all these
> features and no limitations for a lower price.
>
> Thomas was just asking simple question. The EOS users should give him honest
> answers and shouldn't tell him, what he has to need, only the EOS has big
> deficits.


I'll agree I was a bit condescending.. I'll agree the group doesn't need more
of this. But.. I don't feel the OP was asking a simple question.

If the original poster had simply asked how Rebel owners worked around what he
felt were limitations, I would have remained quiet.

He made a point of stating: "How do you deal with these bad limitations" and
"with mega awful user configurations that spoil the camera"

I read this as a troll.. And I guess I bit.

Do you honestly believe he is *seriously* considering purchasing a camera he
states has "bad limitations" and "mega awful user configurations" ? When was
the last time you considered buying something with a mega awful feature.

He was bashing the camera and disguising it as a question. If this isn't true,
I apologize..



Tim Puffett 12-16-2003 07:19 PM

Re: How do you deal with the EOS300d limitations?
 
In article <l2dutv0kb2drqi8agu5el8asu2l699hkoo@4ax.com>, Dave Oddie
<DaveOddie@mailandnews.com> writes
>On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:22:13 -0600, Jim Townsend <not@real.address> wrote:
>
>>Oh please....
>>
>>And how do they manage without a weatherproof body, or the inability to shoot
>>10 frames per second, or how do the do anything with less than 10 Megapixels ?
>>
>>The 300D is an entry level DSLR.. Flash compensation and AI servo are nice to
>>have, but not absolutely necessary. I'd be willing to bet most 300D users
>>don't miss these things are, or even care what they are.
>>
>>The camera takes great pictures and provides very fast autofocus and low noise
>>pictures at high ISO.
>>
>>Not everyone needs these things.. If you do *need* these things, get a 10D or a
>>Nikon D100..

>
>Perhaps he does need these things and can't afford a 10D or D100?



So he's **** out of luck then!

I 'need' all kinds of things that I can't afford but don't go moaning
about it to all and sundry!



--
Tim Puffett


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