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Nachiket Kapre 10-01-2004 11:35 PM

systemVHDL
 
is there any effort to extend VHDL into something similar to what's
happening in the Verilog world..i.e. systemVerilog. it would be really
unfortunate if VHDL just got replaced with some Verilog clone without
a fight from the VHDL camp.

nachiket.

Jim Lewis 10-02-2004 12:05 AM

Re: systemVHDL
 
Nachiket,
It is called VHDL-200X. You can find more information at:
http://www.eda.org/vhdl-200x

Cheers,
Jim Lewis


> is there any effort to extend VHDL into something similar to what's
> happening in the Verilog world..i.e. systemVerilog. it would be really
> unfortunate if VHDL just got replaced with some Verilog clone without
> a fight from the VHDL camp.
>
> nachiket.



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Paulo Valentim 10-07-2004 11:08 AM

Re: systemVHDL
 
It seems like this they haven't had any progress since 4 months ago!
This new standard is so overdue!!!

Anyways what is VHDL 2002?? Where can I find what is exactly new with
this standard??

- Paulo Valentim

Jim Lewis <Jim@SynthWorks.com> wrote in message news:<10lrs5e3mbmvv50@corp.supernews.com>...
> Nachiket,
> It is called VHDL-200X. You can find more information at:
> http://www.eda.org/vhdl-200x
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Lewis
>
>
> > is there any effort to extend VHDL into something similar to what's
> > happening in the Verilog world..i.e. systemVerilog. it would be really
> > unfortunate if VHDL just got replaced with some Verilog clone without
> > a fight from the VHDL camp.
> >
> > nachiket.

>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Lewis
> Director of Training mailto:Jim@SynthWorks.com
> SynthWorks Design Inc. http://www.SynthWorks.com
> 1-503-590-4787
>
> Expert VHDL Training for Hardware Design and Verification
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~


Jim Lewis 10-07-2004 12:21 PM

Re: systemVHDL
 
Paulo,
Actually, as a working group member, I have seen
significant progress. Proposals have to be made,
analyzed, and then integrated into the standard.
Four months ago, most were just conceptual proposals.
Now most of the proposals have detailed analysis
associated with them and many have been reviewed.

IEEE standards working groups do not get any support
from IEEE or IEEE-SA. 90% of the work done by a
working group is done on a volunteer basis.
While many members come from EDA companies, many others
do not. Some people get supported by their company to
spend time participating and others do it in their
spare time (taking away from their family).

Bottom line, if you want standards to move at a faster
pace, you need to volunteer. You need to earn the right
to complain. If you are not happy with the direction a
standards group goes, you need to participate, otherwise,
again, you have no right to complain. People working
on standards are not claravoint and may not think of the
great idea you have - unless you either share it or
help develop it by participating.

The final step in getting the standard done is to
integrate the proposals into the standard. This is work
that is typically done by one individual (to ensure
continunity). Unfortunately the amount of time it takes
implies that it is not feasibile to do this on a voluntary
basis - as a result, since we are not funded by IEEE,
we also need to raise funds to support this effort.

Best Regards,
Jim Lewis
co-team leader VHDL-200X Fast Track
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Lewis
Director of Training mailto:Jim@SynthWorks.com
SynthWorks Design Inc. http://www.SynthWorks.com
1-503-590-4787

Expert VHDL Training for Hardware Design and Verification
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

> It seems like this they haven't had any progress since 4 months ago!
> This new standard is so overdue!!!
>
> Anyways what is VHDL 2002?? Where can I find what is exactly new with
> this standard??
>
> - Paulo Valentim
>
> Jim Lewis <Jim@SynthWorks.com> wrote in message news:<10lrs5e3mbmvv50@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>>Nachiket,
>>It is called VHDL-200X. You can find more information at:
>>http://www.eda.org/vhdl-200x
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Jim Lewis
>>
>>
>>
>>>is there any effort to extend VHDL into something similar to what's
>>>happening in the Verilog world..i.e. systemVerilog. it would be really
>>>unfortunate if VHDL just got replaced with some Verilog clone without
>>>a fight from the VHDL camp.
>>>
>>>nachiket.

>>


Paulo Valentim 10-08-2004 08:52 AM

Re: systemVHDL
 
Thank you for the clarification! Keep up the good work!!!!!!!

- Paulo Valentim

Jim Lewis <Jim@SynthWorks.com> wrote in message news:<10mad5soq2d3r7c@corp.supernews.com>...
> Paulo,
> Actually, as a working group member, I have seen
> significant progress. Proposals have to be made,
> analyzed, and then integrated into the standard.
> Four months ago, most were just conceptual proposals.
> Now most of the proposals have detailed analysis
> associated with them and many have been reviewed.
>
> IEEE standards working groups do not get any support
> from IEEE or IEEE-SA. 90% of the work done by a
> working group is done on a volunteer basis.
> While many members come from EDA companies, many others
> do not. Some people get supported by their company to
> spend time participating and others do it in their
> spare time (taking away from their family).
>
> Bottom line, if you want standards to move at a faster
> pace, you need to volunteer. You need to earn the right
> to complain. If you are not happy with the direction a
> standards group goes, you need to participate, otherwise,
> again, you have no right to complain. People working
> on standards are not claravoint and may not think of the
> great idea you have - unless you either share it or
> help develop it by participating.
>
> The final step in getting the standard done is to
> integrate the proposals into the standard. This is work
> that is typically done by one individual (to ensure
> continunity). Unfortunately the amount of time it takes
> implies that it is not feasibile to do this on a voluntary
> basis - as a result, since we are not funded by IEEE,
> we also need to raise funds to support this effort.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jim Lewis
> co-team leader VHDL-200X Fast Track
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Lewis
> Director of Training mailto:Jim@SynthWorks.com
> SynthWorks Design Inc. http://www.SynthWorks.com
> 1-503-590-4787
>
> Expert VHDL Training for Hardware Design and Verification
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > It seems like this they haven't had any progress since 4 months ago!
> > This new standard is so overdue!!!
> >
> > Anyways what is VHDL 2002?? Where can I find what is exactly new with
> > this standard??
> >
> > - Paulo Valentim
> >
> > Jim Lewis <Jim@SynthWorks.com> wrote in message news:<10lrs5e3mbmvv50@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> >>Nachiket,
> >>It is called VHDL-200X. You can find more information at:
> >>http://www.eda.org/vhdl-200x
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Jim Lewis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>is there any effort to extend VHDL into something similar to what's
> >>>happening in the Verilog world..i.e. systemVerilog. it would be really
> >>>unfortunate if VHDL just got replaced with some Verilog clone without
> >>>a fight from the VHDL camp.
> >>>
> >>>nachiket.
> >>



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