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kditty 01-24-2006 06:07 PM

having trouble with lining tables up
 
ok here is my problem, a friend made a layout for me, and im trying to
add google adsense adds to the right of my tables, i sort of have my
problem figured out, but below the menu table (line63) in my wysiwyg
editor, i can not get my content table to touch with the other table,
there is a gray space between the two tables. i would like to line them
up to touch. im a total newbie when it comes to web design, and im
trying to learn how to make a page without tables, but for now this is
what i have. here is the source code, i didnt write it and im having
trouble understanding it, and my friend is unavailable for support, so i
figured i would tuck my tail between my legs and come to you guys for help.

------------------------------------------

<html>
<head>
<title>Bluegrass Style</title>
<meta name="description" content="Bluegrass Music, Live Show downloads,
bluegrass band sub domain hosting">
<meta name="keywords" content="bluegrass, bill monroe, earl scruggs,
banjo, mandolin, american folk music, jim and jesse, the dillards,
fiddle, lester flatt, oh brother where art thou, bluegrass reviews, del
mccoury, bluegrass festivals, upcoming bluegrass events">
<style type="text/css">
<!--
..text { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
11px}
a:link { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: underline}
a:visited { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: underline}
a:hover { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: blink}
-->
</style>
</head>

<body bgcolor="gray" text="#000000">


<TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 ALIGN="left">
<TR>
<TD>
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
google_ad_client = "pub-5659215482036846";
google_ad_width = 120;
google_ad_height = 600;
google_ad_format = "120x600_as";
google_ad_type = "text";
google_ad_channel ="";
google_color_border = "CCCCCC";
google_color_bg = "FFFFFF";
google_color_link = "000000";
google_color_url = "666666";
google_color_text = "333333";
//--></script>
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script></TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
<table width="600" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="1" summary="bluegrassexp" bgcolor="#000080">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080" height="40">
<div align="center"><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times,
serif" size="+2" color="#FFFFFF"> The Bluegrass Experiment</font></div>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080">
<table width="100%" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="0" summary="banner" bgcolor="red" height="0">


<div align="center"><img alt="lester, earl, earl, jim,
jesse, ralph, bill, del" src="images/banjoneckbnnr2.jpg" height="108"
width="598" /></div>

</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="white" height="20">
<div align="center"><font face="tahoma" size="2"
color="white"><b><a href="index.htm">Home</a> | <a
href="about.htm">About</a> | <a href="index.htm">Site Map</a> | <a
href="music.htm">Music</a> | <a href="links.htm">Links</a> | <a
href="contact.htm">Contact</a></b> </font></div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>


<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>


<table width="600" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="1" summary="content" bgcolor="#000080">
<tr bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<td width="220" valign="top" bgcolor="white">
<table width="220" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="10"
cellspacing="0" summary="text" class="text">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
cellspacing="0" summary="text">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Site News Jan. 21, 06</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>

<P>This web site is brand new and under construction. Right now I
am brainstorming for ideas, but it's more like a light drizzle. I'm
focusing on the layout more than the content (a webmasters biggest
mistake) but I am coming up with some good ideas.
<P>If you have any questions, or ideas feel free to email me <a
href="mailto:%20kyl%65%40k%64it%74y%2ecom?subject= Comment
or Suggestion">Kyle</a>. Also, any of you
independent banjo pickers out there... if you want me to host your files
for others to hear, let me know. That is the direction I see this web
site heading.
<br>
<br>
<center><embed
allowScriptAccess="never"src="http://www.kditty.com/music/bluegrass/bgexpflash/bgstyle.swf"
menu="false" quality="high" width="300" height="380" name="index"
allowScriptAccess="never" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
flashvars="playList=http://www.kditty.com/music/bluegrass/bgexpflash/bgstyle.xml&ShowPlaylist=1&ShowEQ=1&firstTrack=1&i nitVol=50"
wmode="transparent" border="0" / ></center>

</tr>
</table>
<br>
</td>
<td bgcolor="red" valign="bottom">
<table width="100%" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="10"
cellspacing="0" summary="useful links" class="text">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="white">
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
cellspacing="0" summary="useful links">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Useful Links</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>
<font size="2">
&raquo; <a href="#1"><b>Made2Own</b></a><br>
&raquo; <a href="#2"><b>Recommended Web site</b></a><br>
&raquo; <a href="#3"><b>Download FireFox</b></a><br>
&raquo; <a href="#4"><b>Download of the Week</b></a><br>
&raquo; <a href="#5"><b>My Space</b></a></font></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="2"><b><a
name="1"></a></b></font>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
cellspacing="0" summary="made2own">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Made2Own Web Hosting</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>
Made2Own offers some great hosting plans for your domain
name, I suggest you use them. <a
href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=5&xpid=14&referrer_id=50"
target="_blank">Super Value Plans</a> for $10.00 PER YEAR! As well as 3
<a
href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=1&xpid=4&referrer_id=50"
target="_blank">Value Plans</a> starting at $3.50 per month.<br>
<center><a
href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=2&xpid=7&referrer_id=50"
target="_blank"><img src="images/made2ownbutton.gif" height="76"
width="83" border="0" alt="made2own" /></a></center><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
name="2"></a></b></font>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
summary="bgbox" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Bluegrass Box</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>
This is a great site, that's about all I can say about BGB. Upload and
Download live shows, that the artists actually support. This is what I
love so much about bluegrass music. Check this site out for sure...LOTS
of help and information for newbs, and tons of free LEGAL music.
<br>
<br>
<center><a href="http://www.bluegrassbox.com" target="_blank"><img
border="0" alt="bgbox" src="images/bgbox.gif" height="32" width="85"
/></a></center></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
name="3"></a></b></font>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
summary="firefox" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
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color="#FFFFFF"><b>Fire Fox 1.5</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
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//--></script>
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script></center></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
name="4"></a></b></font>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
cellspacing="0" summary="weekly download">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Download
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</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
name="5"></a></b></font>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
cellspacing="0" summary="myspace">
<tr>
<td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>My Space</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>
Visit me on <a href="http://www.myspace.com/krd"
target="_blank">myspace.com</a></td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>


</body>
</html>

kditty 01-25-2006 03:44 PM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
kditty wrote:
> ok here is my problem, a friend made a layout for me, and im trying to
> add google adsense adds to the right of my tables, i sort of have my
> problem figured out, but below the menu table (line63) in my wysiwyg
> editor, i can not get my content table to touch with the other table,
> there is a gray space between the two tables. i would like to line them
> up to touch. im a total newbie when it comes to web design, and im
> trying to learn how to make a page without tables, but for now this is
> what i have. here is the source code, i didnt write it and im having
> trouble understanding it, and my friend is unavailable for support, so i
> figured i would tuck my tail between my legs and come to you guys for help.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Bluegrass Style</title>
> <meta name="description" content="Bluegrass Music, Live Show downloads,
> bluegrass band sub domain hosting">
> <meta name="keywords" content="bluegrass, bill monroe, earl scruggs,
> banjo, mandolin, american folk music, jim and jesse, the dillards,
> fiddle, lester flatt, oh brother where art thou, bluegrass reviews, del
> mccoury, bluegrass festivals, upcoming bluegrass events">
> <style type="text/css">
> <!--
> .text { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:
> 11px}
> a:link { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: underline}
> a:visited { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: underline}
> a:hover { color: #a9a9a9; text-decoration: blink}
> -->
> </style>
> </head>
>
> <body bgcolor="gray" text="#000000">
>
>
> <TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=1 CELLSPACING=1 ALIGN="left">
> <TR>
> <TD>
> <script type="text/javascript"><!--
> google_ad_client = "pub-5659215482036846";
> google_ad_width = 120;
> google_ad_height = 600;
> google_ad_format = "120x600_as";
> google_ad_type = "text";
> google_ad_channel ="";
> google_color_border = "CCCCCC";
> google_color_bg = "FFFFFF";
> google_color_link = "000000";
> google_color_url = "666666";
> google_color_text = "333333";
> //--></script>
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
> </script></TD>
> </TR>
> </TABLE>
> <table width="600" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
> cellspacing="1" summary="bluegrassexp" bgcolor="#000080">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080" height="40">
> <div align="center"><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times,
> serif" size="+2" color="#FFFFFF"> The Bluegrass Experiment</font></div>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080">
> <table width="100%" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
> cellspacing="0" summary="banner" bgcolor="red" height="0">
>
>
> <div align="center"><img alt="lester, earl, earl, jim,
> jesse, ralph, bill, del" src="images/banjoneckbnnr2.jpg" height="108"
> width="598" /></div>
>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="white" height="20">
> <div align="center"><font face="tahoma" size="2"
> color="white"><b><a href="index.htm">Home</a> | <a
> href="about.htm">About</a> | <a href="index.htm">Site Map</a> | <a
> href="music.htm">Music</a> | <a href="links.htm">Links</a> | <a
> href="contact.htm">Contact</a></b> </font></div>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
>
> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
>
>
> <table width="600" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="0"
> cellspacing="1" summary="content" bgcolor="#000080">
> <tr bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
> <td width="220" valign="top" bgcolor="white">
> <table width="220" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="10"
> cellspacing="0" summary="text" class="text">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> cellspacing="0" summary="text">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Site News Jan. 21, 06</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
>
> <P>This web site is brand new and under
> construction. Right now I am brainstorming for ideas, but it's more like
> a light drizzle. I'm focusing on the layout more than the content (a
> webmasters biggest mistake) but I am coming up with some good ideas.
> <P>If you have any questions, or ideas feel
> free to email me <a
> href="mailto:%20kyl%65%40k%64it%74y%2ecom?subject= Comment
> or Suggestion">Kyle</a>. Also, any of you
> independent banjo pickers out there... if you want me to host your files
> for others to hear, let me know. That is the direction I see this web
> site heading.
> <br>
> <br>
> <center><embed
> allowScriptAccess="never"src="http://www.kditty.com/music/bluegrass/bgexpflash/bgstyle.swf"
> menu="false" quality="high" width="300" height="380" name="index"
> allowScriptAccess="never" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
> pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
> flashvars="playList=http://www.kditty.com/music/bluegrass/bgexpflash/bgstyle.xml&ShowPlaylist=1&ShowEQ=1&firstTrack=1&i nitVol=50"
> wmode="transparent" border="0" / ></center>
>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> </td>
> <td bgcolor="red" valign="bottom">
> <table width="100%" border="0" align="left" cellpadding="10"
> cellspacing="0" summary="useful links" class="text">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="white">
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> cellspacing="0" summary="useful links">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Useful Links</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> <font size="2">
> &raquo; <a href="#1"><b>Made2Own</b></a><br>
> &raquo; <a href="#2"><b>Recommended Web site</b></a><br>
> &raquo; <a href="#3"><b>Download FireFox</b></a><br>
> &raquo; <a href="#4"><b>Download of the Week</b></a><br>
> &raquo; <a href="#5"><b>My Space</b></a></font></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font size="2"><b><a
> name="1"></a></b></font>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> cellspacing="0" summary="made2own">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Made2Own Web Hosting</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> Made2Own offers some great hosting plans for your domain
> name, I suggest you use them. <a
> href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=5&xpid=14&referrer_id=50"
> target="_blank">Super Value Plans</a> for $10.00 PER YEAR! As well as 3
> <a
> href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=1&xpid=4&referrer_id=50"
> target="_blank">Value Plans</a> starting at $3.50 per month.<br>
> <center><a
> href="http://made2own.com/orders/step_one.php?gid=2&xpid=7&referrer_id=50"
> target="_blank"><img src="images/made2ownbutton.gif" height="76"
> width="83" border="0" alt="made2own" /></a></center><br>
> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
> name="2"></a></b></font>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> summary="bgbox" cellspacing="0">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Bluegrass Box</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> This is a great site, that's about all I can say about BGB. Upload and
> Download live shows, that the artists actually support. This is what I
> love so much about bluegrass music. Check this site out for sure...LOTS
> of help and information for newbs, and tons of free LEGAL music.
> <br>
> <br>
> <center><a href="http://www.bluegrassbox.com" target="_blank"><img
> border="0" alt="bgbox" src="images/bgbox.gif" height="32" width="85"
> /></a></center></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
> name="3"></a></b></font>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> summary="firefox" cellspacing="0">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Fire Fox 1.5</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> Firefox 1.5 has an intuitive interface and blocks viruses, spyware, and
> popup ads. It delivers Web pages faster than ever. And it's easy to
> install and import your favorites. Packed with useful features like
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> will change the way you experience the Web, for the better.
> <br>
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> google_ad_format = "110x32_as_rimg";
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> //--></script>
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
> </script></center></td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
> name="4"></a></b></font>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> cellspacing="0" summary="weekly download">
> <tr>
> <td bgcolor="#000080"><font size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Download
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> </table>
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> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="2"><b><a
> name="5"></a></b></font>
> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="2"
> cellspacing="0" summary="myspace">
> <tr>
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> color="#FFFFFF"><b>My Space</b></font></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
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noone can help me with this? its bothering me to death, cmon guys

Beauregard T. Shagnasty 01-25-2006 03:59 PM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
kditty wrote:

> kditty wrote:
>> ok here is my problem, a friend made a layout for me,


Put it on your server and give the URL. 250 lines of code doesn't help.

What does your page do at:
http://validator.w3.org/
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html

>> src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">


Heh, that URL is in my HOSTS file, so I would never see the ads.

> noone can help me with this? its bothering me to death, cmon guys


Why did you repost, and quote the 275 lines of your original post?
Please learn to trim.

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

kditty 01-25-2006 11:24 PM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> Put it on your server and give the URL. 250 lines of code doesn't help.
>


http://www.kditty.com/test/adsensetest.htm

the gap between the top frame and the content frame is what i am having
problems with. the original is here www.kditty.com , i can't figure out
why it does this when i add the google add to the window


> What does your page do at:
> http://validator.w3.org/
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>

Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 98-100,
102-103 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8
(in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified
Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the
character encoding indication.
>
>>> src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">

>
>
> Heh, that URL is in my HOSTS file, so I would never see the ads.
>

what do you mean by this? that is the google code, you cant alter it or
you lose your account.
>
>>noone can help me with this? its bothering me to death, cmon guys

>
>
> Why did you repost, and quote the 275 lines of your original post?
> Please learn to trim.
>


sorry, i am new to this, i wasnt sure exactly what i was doing. i
probably shouldnt have pasted the whole code in the first place, but i
figured most people wouldnt take the time to open a page and view source.

Barbara de Zoete 01-25-2006 11:32 PM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:24:32 +0100, kditty <kditty@woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> What does your page do at:
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>>

> Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 98-100,
> 102-103 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8
> (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified
> Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the
> character encoding indication.


What's keeping you to correct that and then validate the markup? Besides,
this isn't about the css, is it? You can still validate that.


>>> noone can help me with this? its bothering me to death, cmon guys

>>
>> Why did you repost, and quote the 275 lines of your original post?
>> Please learn to trim.

>
> sorry, i am new to this, i wasnt sure exactly what i was doing. i
> probably shouldnt have pasted the whole code in the first place, but i
> figured most people wouldnt take the time to open a page and view source.


That, opening page, view source, usually takes less time than copy/paste
the code into textpad/notepad, save it as html and open that page from a
local file. And yes, people will want to _see_ the patient before handing
out advise as on how to improve performance and looks.
The lengthy post might also be the reason there was little to no response.
Not everyone likes downloading a large post. I have filtered them out all
together for example. I don't see/read anything over 7kB.

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty 01-26-2006 01:22 AM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
kditty wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>> Put it on your server and give the URL. 250 lines of code doesn't help.
>>

>
> http://www.kditty.com/test/adsensetest.htm
>
> the gap between the top frame and the content frame is what i am having
> problems with. the original is here www.kditty.com , i can't figure out
> why it does this when i add the google add to the window


Hmm. Before worring about a gap (that I don't see), you should want to
fix the more serious things.

a. fixed font size - IE users can't resize
b. nested tables
c. Verdana <g>
d. Stuffed at the left

Google for 3-column CSS layout and drop all those abused tables, eh?
Like this:
http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev.../3-column.html

>> What does your page do at:
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
>>

> Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 98-100,
> 102-103 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8
> (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified
> Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the
> character encoding indication.


Might be this: <a href="mailto:%20kyl%65%40k%64it%74y%2ecom ...
else it is something in the <embed code. Remove each one at a time and
see what happens. Or, it might be the French quotes. Your long lines
wrap funny, so I'm not sure where line 98 is.

>>>> src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">

>>
>> Heh, that URL is in my HOSTS file, so I would never see the ads.
>>

> what do you mean by this? that is the google code, you cant alter it or
> you lose your account.


You as host maybe, but me as visitor am free to block it. I do not see
those ads. Look up HOSTS file.

>>>noone can help me with this? its bothering me to death, cmon guys

>>
>> Why did you repost, and quote the 275 lines of your original post?
>> Please learn to trim.

>
> sorry, i am new to this, i wasnt sure exactly what i was doing. i
> probably shouldnt have pasted the whole code in the first place, but i
> figured most people wouldnt take the time to open a page and view source.


As Barbara said, it's a lot easier to click your link then my View
Source button. I can also press Ctrl-Shift-E and play with your CSS
code.
http://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/

Really nice bluegrass, though! I'm listening...

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kditty 01-26-2006 01:47 AM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
Barbara de Zoete wrote:

> What's keeping you to correct that and then validate the markup?
> Besides, this isn't about the css, is it? You can still validate that.
>

whats keeping me, is that i am new to this, and still learning. but i
have been trouble shooting for a while, and thinking of other ways to do
my layout without using tables.
>


> That, opening page, view source, usually takes less time than
> copy/paste the code into textpad/notepad, save it as html and open that
> page from a local file. And yes, people will want to _see_ the patient
> before handing out advise as on how to improve performance and looks.
> The lengthy post might also be the reason there was little to no
> response. Not everyone likes downloading a large post. I have filtered
> them out all together for example. I don't see/read anything over 7kB.
>


as i said before, sorry for the newbie mistake, i just assumed that
everyone may have a wysiwyg editor to paste into ;x

kditty 01-26-2006 01:58 AM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> kditty wrote:
>


> Hmm. Before worring about a gap (that I don't see), you should want to
> fix the more serious things.
>
> a. fixed font size - IE users can't resize
> b. nested tables
> c. Verdana <g>
> d. Stuffed at the left
>
> Google for 3-column CSS layout and drop all those abused tables, eh?
> Like this:
> http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev.../3-column.html
>

thanks for the CSS layout idea. i have been considering this, but wasnt
sure how to go about it. i like the three columns it works fine for me
and i like the look. thanks alot for the link.

i didnt write the layout, its just an example for me to learn from,
although i think it has set me about 2 steps back! the nested tables are
alot more confusing than i thought they would ever be.

i think the page is stuffed at the left because you have blocked the
adds, thats just a test page and i wanted adds on both sides, just to
see how it looks, its usually in the center and looks quite nice, but is
nearly impossible to edit for someone who is inexperianced.

the fixed font size i will look into for sure, and I LIKE VERDANA ;]
>
> Might be this: <a href="mailto:%20kyl%65%40k%64it%74y%2ecom ...
> else it is something in the <embed code. Remove each one at a time and
> see what happens. Or, it might be the French quotes. Your long lines
> wrap funny, so I'm not sure where line 98 is.
>


the mailto: jibberish is to block spam, i get alot of it, any better
suggetions on how to do so? im all ears.


>
> You as host maybe, but me as visitor am free to block it. I do not see
> those ads. Look up HOSTS file.
>

will it mess the layout up if someone blocks the codes all the time, or
is that just a table thing?
>
>
> Really nice bluegrass, though! I'm listening...
>


there is nothing like the banjo....bluegrass style :D

thanks for the help guys, i really appriciate it. ill get on this
tomorrow, ive spent my whole day trying to figure out these nested
tables with no luck at all. take care

Beauregard T. Shagnasty 01-26-2006 05:54 AM

Re: having trouble with lining tables up
 
kditty wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> kditty wrote:
>>

>
>> Hmm. Before worring about a gap (that I don't see), you should want to
>> fix the more serious things.
>>
>> a. fixed font size - IE users can't resize
>> b. nested tables
>> c. Verdana <g>
>> d. Stuffed at the left
>>
>> Google for 3-column CSS layout and drop all those abused tables, eh?
>> Like this:
>> http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev.../3-column.html
>>

> thanks for the CSS layout idea. i have been considering this, but wasnt
> sure how to go about it. i like the three columns it works fine for me
> and i like the look. thanks alot for the link.
>
> i didnt write the layout, its just an example for me to learn from,
> although i think it has set me about 2 steps back! the nested tables are
> alot more confusing than i thought they would ever be.
>
> i think the page is stuffed at the left because you have blocked the
> adds, thats just a test page and i wanted adds on both sides, just to
> see how it looks, its usually in the center and looks quite nice, but is
> nearly impossible to edit for someone who is inexperianced.


Or experienced. <g> Hmm.. let's see .. is this <td> in the second table
or the third.

> the fixed font size i will look into for sure, and I LIKE VERDANA ;]


http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/verdana.html

>> Might be this: <a href="mailto:%20kyl%65%40k%64it%74y%2ecom ...
>> else it is something in the <embed code. Remove each one at a time and
>> see what happens. Or, it might be the French quotes. Your long lines
>> wrap funny, so I'm not sure where line 98 is.

>
> the mailto: jibberish is to block spam, i get alot of it, any better
> suggetions on how to do so? im all ears.


There are ways, but a lot of folks say they don't work, so I'll leave
that for you to google some day.

>> You as host maybe, but me as visitor am free to block it. I do not see
>> those ads. Look up HOSTS file.
>>

> will it mess the layout up if someone blocks the codes all the time, or
> is that just a table thing?


No, just the ad is blocked, not the container and space it would have
occupied.

>> Really nice bluegrass, though! I'm listening...

>
> there is nothing like the banjo....bluegrass style :D
>
> thanks for the help guys, i really appriciate it. ill get on this
> tomorrow, ive spent my whole day trying to figure out these nested
> tables with no luck at all. take care


Once you grok the CSS layout method, you will never look back.

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