Problems with frames...
 

Hi!

I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:

1) Top
and Down and within Down,
2) Left and
3) Right


Top
-------------
|
Left | Right
|
|

Now my question:
In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I
have the content and in the top frame I have same kind of
Header-Information about the content frame. When I click on a link in
the left frame, I know how to change the right frame (with
target="right"), but this is not enough! I need to change also the top
frame, because the Header-Info must be updated and also the left
frame, because the navigation table may have changed!

How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?

Thanks,
Konrad

Re: Problems with frames...
 

Once upon a time *Konrad Hammerer* wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
> 1) Top
> and Down and within Down,
> 2) Left and
> 3) Right
>
>
> Top
> -------------
> |
> Left | Right
> |
> |
>
> Now my question:
> In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I
> have the content and in the top frame I have same kind of
> Header-Information about the content frame. When I click on a link in
> the left frame, I know how to change the right frame (with
> target="right"), but this is not enough! I need to change also the top
> frame, because the Header-Info must be updated and also the left
> frame, because the navigation table may have changed!
>
> How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?
>

If you really *must* use frames want to avoid Javascript (that's
good!) the link to a new frameset that loads the new header, nav and
content frames.

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Re: Problems with frames...
 

Konrad Hammerer wrote:

> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:

Why?

Cheers
Richard.

Re: Problems with frames...
 

>>I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
>
> Why?

I'm not very familier with html. If you can tell me a better way to do
something like this, it would be very helpfull. I want to have a
navigation on the left side and a Header-Information on top of the
page which stays there even if the user uses the scrollbar...

Thanks,
Konrad


>
> Cheers
> Richard.
>
>

Re: Problems with frames...
 

Konrad Hammerer wrote:
>>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>>
>>
>>
>> Why?
>
>
> I'm not very familier with html. If you can tell me a better way to do
> something like this, it would be very helpfull. I want to have a
> navigation on the left side and a Header-Information on top of the page
> which stays there even if the user uses the scrollbar...
>
> Thanks,
> Konrad
>
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Richard.
>>
>>
How about using an inline frame?

Do a google for iframes or inline frames.

rOe

Re: Problems with frames...
 

roland.E.oderant wrote:

>>>> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:

>> I'm not very familier with html. If you can tell me a better way to do

> How about using an inline frame?

All the problems of regular frames, but with worse browser support.

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Re: Problems with frames...
 

Konrad Hammerer wrote:

> I want to have a navigation on the left side and a Header-Information on
> top of the page which stays there even if the user uses the scrollbar.

Why? The vast majority of sites don't do that and users manage to cope OK.
The main effect that will have (*if* you implement frames well) would be to
reduce the effective screen space the user has available for reading the
actual content.

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Re: Problems with frames...
 

David Dorward wrote:
> Konrad Hammerer wrote:
>
>> I want to have a navigation on the left side and a
>> Header-Information on top of the page which stays there even if
>> the user uses the scrollbar.
>
> Why? The vast majority of sites don't do that and users manage to
> cope OK. The main effect that will have (*if* you implement frames
> well) would be to reduce the effective screen space the user has
> available for reading the actual content.

Exactly. My browser normally has a usable 450-500 pixels of height for
the content, on this 800x600px monitor. It is really annoying when
some web developer thinks I need to stare at his/her huge site logo
all the time I am trying to read the content in about a 250 pixel
height area.

Get over it. Your logo is not nearly as important as your content.

And I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the bookmarking disaster,
or the search engine problems, of a framed site.

--
-bts
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Re: Problems with frames...
 

"Konrad Hammerer" <konrad.hammerer@tesis.de> schreef in bericht
news:1125059488.233053@gzpc.tesis.de...
> Hi!
>
> I've a question concerning frames. I want to use 3 frames:
>
> 1) Top
> and Down and within Down,
> 2) Left and
> 3) Right
>
>
> Top
> -------------
> |
> Left | Right
> |
> |
>
> Now my question:
> In the left frame I have my Navigation Table, in the right frame I have
> the content and in the top frame I have same kind of Header-Information
> about the content frame. When I click on a link in the left frame, I know
> how to change the right frame (with target="right"), but this is not
> enough! I need to change also the top frame, because the Header-Info must
> be updated and also the left frame, because the navigation table may have
> changed!
>
> How can I solve this problem? Is there a way without javascript?
>
> Thanks,
> Konrad

Ok, ok, better not use frames at all, I know.
Is some older sites I used this in the leftframe (=navigationmenu)

<a href="javascript:change('top.htm','right.htm','lef t.htm')">link</a>

It changes three pages at once, using the same frameset.
Be sure to change the frame where you put this link in as last one.
You won't win any design-awards with it, but it works.

Rodel

Re: Problems with frames...
 

Konrad Hammerer wrote :
>
> I'm not very familier with html. If you can tell me a better way to do
> something like this, it would be very helpfull. I want to have a
> navigation on the left side and a Header-Information on top of the page
> which stays there even if the user uses the scrollbar...
>

Simple 2 column CSS layout (tutorial)
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/de...slayout/2-col/
Final result:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/de.../finished.html

Once you've understood how to create such page, you can modify, adjust
as you wish.

CSS Page Layouts
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presenta...outs/index.cfm

Here's another good tutorial on creating a multi-column webpage:
3 Column Layout (with explanations)
http://examples.tobyinkster.co.uk/3col

Gérard
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