Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One
thing that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as
soon as it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I
can't see a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are
actually opened.

Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.

Thanks.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Zygon Curry wrote:
> Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One
> thing that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as
> soon as it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I
> can't see a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are
> actually opened.
>
> Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.
>
> Thanks.
>

Try using or changing the "Mark message read ..." setting in Tools >
Options > Advanced > General Settings.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:02:54 -0500, Doug G <doug4179@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Zygon Curry wrote:
>> Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One
>> thing that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as
>> soon as it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I
>> can't see a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are
>> actually opened.
>>
>> Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>Try using or changing the "Mark message read ..." setting in Tools >
>Options > Advanced > General Settings.


Thanks for your reply.

I've tried that already last night and it doesn't work. The option it
gives in there is to mark messages read after the number of seconds
you specify, default is 5 seconds.

If I untick that box it still marks the message read the moment the
message is selected, but not opened. What I have just noticed is that
if the message preview pane is switched off then it does exactly as I
want it to and not mark the message read. Unfortunately that defeats
the purpose of a preview pane.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Zygon Curry wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:02:54 -0500, Doug G <doug4179@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Zygon Curry wrote:
>>> Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One
>>> thing that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as
>>> soon as it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I
>>> can't see a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are
>>> actually opened.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>Try using or changing the "Mark message read ..." setting in Tools >
>>Options > Advanced > General Settings.
>
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I've tried that already last night and it doesn't work. The option it
> gives in there is to mark messages read after the number of seconds
> you specify, default is 5 seconds.
>
> If I untick that box it still marks the message read the moment the
> message is selected, but not opened. What I have just noticed is that
> if the message preview pane is switched off then it does exactly as I
> want it to and not mark the message read. Unfortunately that defeats
> the purpose of a preview pane.
>

If the message preview pane is open when you select a message, you are
opening it. It doesn't matter whether you read it or not.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:07:41 -0500, Doug G <doug4179@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Zygon Curry wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:02:54 -0500, Doug G <doug4179@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>
>> If I untick that box it still marks the message read the moment the
>> message is selected, but not opened. What I have just noticed is that
>> if the message preview pane is switched off then it does exactly as I
>> want it to and not mark the message read. Unfortunately that defeats
>> the purpose of a preview pane.
>>
>
>If the message preview pane is open when you select a message, you are
>opening it. It doesn't matter whether you read it or not.


Unfortunately, it's going to be this poorly designed preview option
that is going to stop me from using Thunderbird an email and
newsreader. I wanted to use Thunderbird for a specific mail account.

Outlook 2003, Agent 2 and other mail and newsgroup reader
applications I use provide preview options without having to mark
messages as read.

Pity really since I've always been a Netscape and Mozilla user.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:08:37 +0100, Zygon Curry wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:02:54 -0500, Doug G <doug4179@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Zygon Curry wrote:
>>> Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One thing
>>> that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as soon as
>>> it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I can't see
>>> a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are actually opened.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>Try using or changing the "Mark message read ..." setting in Tools >
>>Options > Advanced > General Settings.
>
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I've tried that already last night and it doesn't work. The option it
> gives in there is to mark messages read after the number of seconds you
> specify, default is 5 seconds.
>
> If I untick that box it still marks the message read the moment the
> message is selected, but not opened. What I have just noticed is that if
> the message preview pane is switched off then it does exactly as I want it
> to and not mark the message read. Unfortunately that defeats the purpose
> of a preview pane.

That's always bothered me too. I'd like to see: left click selects
and opens, middle click selects but does not open.

-- Wayne.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Zygon Curry wrote:
> Installed Thunderbird yesterday and testing it at the moment. One
> thing that bugs me is that it automatically marks an email as Read as
> soon as it is clicked on, even when it hasn't been opened and read. I
> can't see a setting for it to keep emails Unread until they are
> actually opened.
>
> Can anyone help me sort this problem out please.
>
> Thanks.
>
In the version of Thunderbird that I have (version 1.0.5 (20050711),
the emails or Usenet posts do not show as read until clicked on.
They will sit there all day and night as unread until I click on
them. The time delay after clicking on a header can be run up to 999
sec. I only tested to 120 sec. and it worked. You say it
automatically marks an email as Read as soon as it is clicked on,
even when it hasn't been opened and read. *When you click on a
header that is exactly what you are doing. Opening the email weather
you read it or not.* Good luck in any event.

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:54:38 GMT, Old Gringo
<oldgringo-invalid-@yahoo.com> wrote:


>In the version of Thunderbird that I have (version 1.0.5 (20050711),
>the emails or Usenet posts do not show as read until clicked on.
>They will sit there all day and night as unread until I click on
>them. The time delay after clicking on a header can be run up to 999
>sec. I only tested to 120 sec. and it worked. You say it
>automatically marks an email as Read as soon as it is clicked on,
>even when it hasn't been opened and read. *When you click on a
>header that is exactly what you are doing. Opening the email weather
>you read it or not.* Good luck in any event.


Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.

As I said I installed and downloaded it last night so I'm using the
most current version. Not sure what version number it is without
looking.

As far as the preview option goes, I understand that some of the
message as to be technically opened to provide the preview. What I'm
specifically saying is that the actual message header in the Inbox
should not change to 'Read' while being previewed. It should only
change to 'Read' when the message is opened in its own Window or
marked as 'Read' when specified by the user.

Other applications I use manage this perfectly without any problem.
They even have options to allow this. It's just a pity that
Thunderbird doesn't do it. I was expecting it to have a much better
user interface then Outlook Express as the minimum.

I don't usually use the preview options for valid security reasons,
but I will need to use from time to time for one specific account.

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Zygon Curry wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:54:38 GMT, Old Gringo
> <oldgringo-invalid-@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>In the version of Thunderbird that I have (version 1.0.5 (20050711),
>>the emails or Usenet posts do not show as read until clicked on.
>>They will sit there all day and night as unread until I click on
>>them. The time delay after clicking on a header can be run up to 999
>>sec. I only tested to 120 sec. and it worked. You say it
>>automatically marks an email as Read as soon as it is clicked on,
>>even when it hasn't been opened and read. *When you click on a
>>header that is exactly what you are doing. Opening the email weather
>>you read it or not.* Good luck in any event.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.
>
> As I said I installed and downloaded it last night so I'm using the
> most current version. Not sure what version number it is without
> looking.
>
> As far as the preview option goes, I understand that some of the
> message as to be technically opened to provide the preview. What I'm
> specifically saying is that the actual message header in the Inbox
> should not change to 'Read' while being previewed. It should only
> change to 'Read' when the message is opened in its own Window or
> marked as 'Read' when specified by the user.

I understand your description of how you like to work, but that wouldn't
work for me because I /never/ open a message in its own window to read
it. Why bother when it's right there in the preview pane?

>
> Other applications I use manage this perfectly without any problem.
> They even have options to allow this. It's just a pity that
> Thunderbird doesn't do it. I was expecting it to have a much better
> user interface then Outlook Express as the minimum.

Well, sw is a very personal thing. I much prefer Mozilla mail/news
applications over OE.

>
> I don't usually use the preview options for valid security reasons,
> but I will need to use from time to time for one specific account.
>

I'm guessing your reference to security is that you're concerned about
spam emails reporting back to the originator. You can turn off remote
images, javascript, and plugins in mail/news. When the Junk Mail filter
is trained it will catch most (some report near 100%, others less) spam.
The few that get through mine I simply right-click and Mark As Junk.
This does not open the message in the preview pane.

As for the marking as Read, I may scan a message (in the Preview pane)
and decide to come back to it later. In which case I can simply hit "M"
and the "Read" state is toggled back on; easy enough if it's that
important to me. What I also may do is move such messages into a
special folder that I'll check when I have time. In which case I
couldn't care less how they're marked.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://edmullen.net/Mozilla/moz.html
Patience has its limits. Take it too far, and it's cowardice. - George
Jackson

Re: Thunderbird - Mark Emails Unread
 

Ed Mullen wrote:
> Zygon Curry wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:54:38 GMT, Old Gringo
>> <oldgringo-invalid-@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In the version of Thunderbird that I have (version 1.0.5 (20050711),
>>> the emails or Usenet posts do not show as read until clicked on. They
>>> will sit there all day and night as unread until I click on them.
>>> The time delay after clicking on a header can be run up to 999 sec.
>>> I only tested to 120 sec. and it worked. You say it automatically
>>> marks an email as Read as soon as it is clicked on, even when it
>>> hasn't been opened and read. *When you click on a header that is
>>> exactly what you are doing. Opening the email weather you read it or
>>> not.* Good luck in any event.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.
>> As I said I installed and downloaded it last night so I'm using the
>> most current version. Not sure what version number it is without
>> looking.
>>
>> As far as the preview option goes, I understand that some of the
>> message as to be technically opened to provide the preview. What I'm
>> specifically saying is that the actual message header in the Inbox
>> should not change to 'Read' while being previewed. It should only
>> change to 'Read' when the message is opened in its own Window or
>> marked as 'Read' when specified by the user.
>
>
> I understand your description of how you like to work, but that wouldn't
> work for me because I /never/ open a message in its own window to read
> it. Why bother when it's right there in the preview pane?
>
>>
>> Other applications I use manage this perfectly without any problem.
>> They even have options to allow this. It's just a pity that
>> Thunderbird doesn't do it. I was expecting it to have a much better
>> user interface then Outlook Express as the minimum.
>
>
> Well, sw is a very personal thing. I much prefer Mozilla mail/news
> applications over OE.
>
>>
>> I don't usually use the preview options for valid security reasons,
>> but I will need to use from time to time for one specific account.
>>
>
> I'm guessing your reference to security is that you're concerned about
> spam emails reporting back to the originator. You can turn off remote
> images, javascript, and plugins in mail/news. When the Junk Mail filter
> is trained it will catch most (some report near 100%, others less) spam.
> The few that get through mine I simply right-click and Mark As Junk.
> This does not open the message in the preview pane.
>
> As for the marking as Read, I may scan a message (in the Preview pane)
> and decide to come back to it later. In which case I can simply hit "M"
> and the "Read" state is toggled back on; easy enough if it's that
> important to me. What I also may do is move such messages into a
> special folder that I'll check when I have time. In which case I
> couldn't care less how they're marked.
>
Very well said Ed, Thank You

--
Old Gringo George
Magic Weaver Of Life
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
Freedom For The World <http://www.nuboy-Industries.com>